[News] Retired NHL center Ryan Kesler charged with fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct

[Cali Panthers Fan]

What in the actual #### is going on in this thread.

Gull...bruh...that's a disgusting amount of rationalizing a despicable act. Maybe reflect on that a little. What kind of man would do something like this? Are you that man or just playing devil's advocate?

[chemgear]

[Goriders]

Think like the world junior trial. We probably don’t have all the facts. We probably will get them sooner or later if there’s a trial. A judge or jury will decide his fate.

But the one thing I know for a fact based on years of observations. Kesler is a dick.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Exactly. That's what I'm thinking too. 100%

It's sexual contact, not sexual penetration.

Yeah I’m not sure reacting to a tongue in cheek send up of your post made to sound even sillier with “exactly! that’s right!” is helping your case here.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's your opinion that it's gross.

But like… your opinion too, right?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

How people find themselves in situations like this is beyond comprehension.

Lately, there's been more and more videos being posted on X / Instagram where adult men are trying to meet up with underage kids. Like wtf you thinking.

How hard is it to follow 2 simple rules?

1. Minimum 18
2. Divide your age + 7

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In Canada, and in 32 U.S. states including Michigan, the age of consent is 16. What you and other people find squicky has little to do with what is or is not against the law.

Thankfully the age of consent in this country isn't so cut and dry. Ryan Kesler as a 40 year old or you as a 65 year old can't just go yeaaahhh 16 let's go oooooo

Sexual exploitation
A 16 or 17 year old cannot consent to sexual activity if:

their sexual partner is in position of trust or authority towards them, for example their teacher or coach
the young person is dependent on their sexual partner, for example for care or support
the relationship between the young person and their sexual partner is exploitative
The following factors may be taken into account when determining whether a relationship is exploitative of the young person:

the young person's age
the age difference between the young person and their partner
how the relationship developed (for example, quickly, secretly, or over the internet)
whether the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person

Yeah, 18 is pretty gross too by the way. The brain, especially the prefrontal cortex don't fully develop until 25. Maybe stay away from teenagers and slightly above until their higher-level functions like judgment, impulse control, planning, and ability to make good decisions are at a higher function. Is that too much for a fully grown aging adult to aspire to?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I don't think it's clear the victim was a minor

Been reported by numerous agencies that the victim was 16 years old, a minor. Your posts in this thread are gross by the way. Sicky desperate and gross.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah I’m not sure reacting to a tongue in cheek send up of your post made to sound even sillier with “exactly! that’s right!” is helping your case here.



But like… your opinion too, right?

Are you suggesting sexual penetration and sexual contact are equally bad? Do we all just go from 0 to 100 on the moral outrage scale?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Are you suggesting sexual penetration and sexual contact are equally bad? Do we all just go from 0 to 100 on the moral outrage scale?

No, I think it’s pretty obvious everyone is questioning your position that a 40 year old sexually touching a minor can be excused as a “lapse of judgement.”

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Are you suggesting sexual penetration and sexual contact are equally bad? Do we all just go from 0 to 100 on the moral outrage scale?

With a minor? Are you serious? There is no scale of "bad" there is just "both are completely ####ed up"

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Liked him as a player but what a disgusting thing to do as a human. I feel awful for his daughter as well.

[fotze2]

I guess I need to go back a few pages of this thread, sounds exciting.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Ped

With a minor? Are you serious? There is no scale of "bad" there is just "both are completely ####ed up"

Well technically there is a scale which is in the title of this thread

[undercoverbrother]

GullFloss picking the oddest of hill to stand on.


Just phucking creepy

[bdubbs]

Best part of this thread is that you don't have to do anything and the creeps just out themselves.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Liked him as a player but what a disgusting thing to do as a human. I feel awful for his daughter as well.

This actually might be the most egregious opinion of them all!

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Could have been drunk, passed out, sleeping, etc. Incapacitated is super vague

It could also be forced or coerced touching. Like shes standing there and he grabs her _____. Or he puts her hand on his junk.

It's a misdemeanor charge.

I mean, none of those suggestions seem great...

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, I think it’s pretty obvious everyone is questioning your position that a 40 year old sexually touching a minor can be excused as a “lapse of judgement.”

Just to be clear, my position is that an intoxicated person inappropriately touching someone else can be attributed as a "lapse of judgement with immediate regret". Also of note, if the 16 yo was okay with it, it's more of a grey area because the issue in part becomes whether or not she's allowed to consent and whether Kesler knew she was 16 or not.

I saw something similar at a gentlemen's club just last week where the guy got a little handsy and the dancer had to be like "no touching" and the gentleman got reprimanded and apologized. And then people moved on. No one seemed traumatized or severely violated. I'm not 100% sure as I didn't ask the dancer, but I'm going back to blondies tmrw, so can ask her if she's working.

I'm not advocating that he should be excused under the law, but it's a misdemeanor charge for forth degree assault for a reason. The law is the law. And the law implies a fourth degree assault is less bad than a third degree assault. And a third degree assault is less bad than second degree assault. And second degree assault is less bad than first degree assault. Fifth degree sexual assault is probably wanking in front people or being a Franky flasher or mooning people out the window of a vehicle. It's less bad than fourth degree.

So the idea of this going to trial seems absurd to me when he probably just plead out and apologize or do an online course.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Just to be clear, my position is that an intoxicated person inappropriately touching someone else can be attributed as a "lapse of judgement with immediate regret". Also of note, if the 16 yo was okay with it, it's more of a grey area because the issue in part becomes whether or not she's allowed to consent and whether Kesler knew she was 16 or not.

I saw something similar at a gentlemen's club just last week where the guy got a little handsy and the dancer had to be like "no touching" and the gentleman got reprimanded and apologized. And then people moved on. No one seemed traumatized or severely violated. I'm not 100% sure as I didn't ask the dancer, but I'm going back to blondies tmrw, so can ask her if she's working.

I'm not advocating that he should be excused under the law, but it's a misdemeanor charge for forth degree assault for a reason. The law is the law. And the law implies a fourth degree assault is less bad than a third degree assault. And a third degree assault is less bad than second degree assault. And second degree assault is less bad than first degree assault. Fifth degree sexual assault is probably wanking in front people or being a Franky flasher or mooning people out the window of a vehicle. It's less bad than fourth degree.

So the idea of this going to trial seems absurd to me when he probably just plead out and apologize or do an online course.

This seems very on brand for you.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This seems very on brand for you.

I love how his defense was made to explain the original opinion in a better light but just adds to the ick factor.

[bdubbs]

Damn, didn't know Blondies hired 16 year olds now. (/s for those who can't understand sarcasm).