So...in summary, what are the things we appreciate about Charlie Kirk?
He pwned the libs.
Orange God liked him.
Fox News liked him.
He hated the people I hate.
His death and peoples reactions let me pretend to be even more mad at how hateful the people i hate are.
His death will let Orange God crack down on all the people i hate.
While it can't be debated that Trump is doing his best impression of what a pro-Isreal adolf would look like in the 21st century and the nazi insinuations are calling a spade a spade (not just petty name calling, which is what Trump and many of his supporters seem to think it is - and to them I'd suggest picking up a history textbook and noting the parallels) no one can take you or anybody on the left seriously going forward as proponents for human life if you just pick and choose when they matter and when it's fine to devalue them because of a moral or ideological impasse.
Literally nobody is doing this. Why do you make this stuff up in order to argue a point nobody is making?
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Charlie carved out a niche of debating and spreading messages to young americans, and basically monopolized the gig. While he was shooting fish in a barrel given that they're young, inexperienced and impressionable, the dems could've sent in their own, saner version of Kirk to combat him in that arena but they didn't do s#### about it. They earned that election loss and it was entirely their own faults for being out of touch with young voters.
Yes, this is all the Democrats' fault for not creating a contrary extremist personality and putting them on a podcast tour. Galaxy brain stuff, here.
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As valid as some of the points you make are, still this guilty by association thing that the left does (granting the person in question a less than human status in their mind) is a really icky tendency of outspoken left leaning individuals.
Again, you're gonna have to point out where I did this, champ.
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Maybe more of you should take after Harris on this one and choose decency as a response to a murder. If you want to make your point while remaining in line with the values your public figures preach then make it without stooping by making distasteful remarks about a guy that is already deceased and whose reign of terror on campuses is now concluded (like, stop.. he's dead).
Well, see, here's the difference between us: I don't get my social or ethical cues from politicians and public figures, so I'm content expressing the views and values I have constructed for myself over the course of my life. I'm not feeling or saying anything in accordance to some social construct of rigid ideology like a lemming.
And if you think Charlie Kirk's scope of harm was limited to college campuses then you're just not all that bright.
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In theory, any well educated liberal can and should clean house with a mass of Charlie supporters, but they let their emotions get the best of them and instead lean into exactly that profile that the right stereotypes liberals as and just further solidifies and emboldens that view.
Biggest problem in my view with passionate leftists is that they do at times forget their humanity in their quest for proving right and wrong. What's frustrating is that they don't have to.
In who's theory? Yours? The prevailing stereotyping perpetuated from the right-wing to create leftists as the other that needs to be cautioned against?
You understand who the subject of this conversation is and the things he had to say about the most vulnerable and disadvanted corners of society, correct? And you're out here appealing to my humanity?
Your boos mean nothing. I've seen what makes you cheer.
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That's the sad part. Public figures on the right are largely full of #### and wrong on many counts, but even with an arsenal of facts at their disposal, the left still manage to get roped in emotionally and completely lose their composure.
You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). And in the end that scored a lot of points with the religious individuals, and many of them came away with more willingness to learn and be open to new perspectives.
I'm not interested in conforming to some type-set personality you feel is appropriate in conversation and debate, and I'm not open to new perspectives on how the civil rights movement was a mistake or how trans persons shouldn't exist.
Aren't you the same type of people that get upset about not having failing grades in schools and kids getting participation ribbons? Yet, you're all so afraid of the way someone disagrees with you. Don't be mean, don't be 'emotional', and don't call my stupid thoughts and actions stupid. Shouldn't you be happy that we're not coddling you?
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You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.
Switch up your approach, you're smart enough (I hope). But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.
Yes, if only the left would be nicer and more civil than the right we could make some real progress. I think we're just tired of inhaling that pungent stench that comes from the total lack of self-awareness when persons like yourself say these kinds of things. You literally just made a backhanded insult to my intelligence while stepping up on your soapbox.
Maybe try being the change you want to see in the world before you start lecturing people on ethics and civility. And since you're so horny for unsolicited advice, how about thinking for yourself and viewing others as people instead of stereotypes that only disappoint you when they don't reflect the perverted standard you've set for them.
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My personal favourites are the ones that either never post, or haven't posted in years, choosing this topic as the one to suddenly grandstand their fascist believes. Or even better, announce that they're leaving CP in faux disgust at our refusal to mourn a neo-nazi
You posted a list of quotes, taken entirely out of context. It supported your position though?
Take that list of awful #### you sent. Plug it into your favourite AI and prompt “what is the full context behind this Charlie Kirk quote “[your quotes here]””
Fonz, you've been using Calgarypuck for twenty years so I assume you know that the little underlined thing at the top of my post was a link. When you click on that link that brings you to the page with the collection of quote. Now when you scroll to each one of those quotes each of those individually have links that give each quote full context. So yeah, I'm 99% sure you know how to click and link that provides the context. Stop f'n lying to the people in this thread, me and more importantly yourself that my post lacked context. It's nonsense childish behaviour.
Or you can continue how you're acting and ask ChatGPT "When and why did I turn into such a myopic turd brain?". The latter is easier, the former forces you out of your ignorant comfort zone.
Charlie Kirk thought black people didn't deserve the civil rights movement, and thought a black person was a scumbag for getting murdered by the police in broad daylight.
So as a black person, or rather a person who isn't an idiot, #### Charlie Kirk and #### this thread.
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Charlie Kirk thought black people didn't deserve the civil rights movement, and thought a black person was a scumbag for getting murdered by the police in broad daylight.
So as a black person, or rather a person who isn't an idiot, #### Charlie Kirk and #### this thread.
But he said good things too, apparently, although no one has posted any yet.
You posted a list of quotes, taken entirely out of context. It supported your position though?
Take that list of awful #### you sent. Plug it into your favourite AI and prompt “what is the full context behind this Charlie Kirk quote “[your quotes here]””
the only context that justifies anything Charlie Kirk ever said would be "Charlie Kirk had a gun pointed at his temple, and was aware of it"
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How someone can view Kirk's body of work, and objectively think "now there's a decent human being that deserves our appreciation" is honestly beyond me. Guy was human garbage. Prove me wrong.
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You know what's more bad ass than spitting on a guy's grave
Picking apart his talking points like this student from Cambridge did (great analysis by the youtuber as wel):
Perhaps Kirk was right that the school system in the US is a sham. Meanwhile academics abroad from reputable schools can pick him apart in a minute flat.
It's interesting how he doesn't have his usual aplomb without his typical mob of fans validating his every attempt at a convincing-sounding argument.
While I maintain that his murder was not justified, I appreciate the entertainment Kirk is bringing me post mortem with these smackdowns.
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The claims (and literal quote) about Kirk’s stance on empathy:
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" - Charlie Kirk
Noted.
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
He said empathy was abnormal
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Originally Posted by Muta
Kirk regularly spewed wasn't exactly conducive to peace, unity, integrity, and empathy (the last one which he, quite literally, campaigned against).
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Did you know he called empathy a “made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage”? Should we feel empathy for a man who had none?
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said empathy was a weakness, kids that die in school shootings are worth it, etc.
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Originally Posted by Yamer
in regards to the person that didn't believe in empathy.
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Also, from the man's own mouth, we shouldn't feel bad for him or his family:
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage." - Charlie Kirk
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this thread is just pointing out the irony of a guy who believed empathy was weekness
You are essentially insulting his memory by having empathy for him.
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a guy who thought empathy isn't something worth having.
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this is a man who believed that empathy was made up, and detrimental.
So with that in mind, I will take no joy in his death, but I will feel exactly as much empathy for Charlie Kirk as he would want me to.
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Well, lacking empathy is showing respect to Charlie anyway.
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Your empathy for him and his family disgusts him. Show a little respect. Be better.
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Kirk would find our empathy disgusting. Quit dishonouring his memory
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Lots of empathy in this thread. Kirk would be disgusted with your weakness.
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Charlie Kirk stated that empathy was a new age made up word that does a lot of damage.
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The man preached empathy is bad.
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What's your take on his take that empathy for other humans is a weakness?
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“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy.”
Never said empathy was weakness, or abnormal. He preferred sympathy over empathy - that part of the quote is always left out.
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The same people who lecture you about 'empathy' have none for the soldiers discharged for the jab, the children mutilated by Big Medicine, or the lives devastated by fentanyl pouring over the border.
Spare me your fake outrage, your fake science, and your fake moral superiority.
The claims (and literal quote) about Kirk’s stance on empathy:
The full quote:
“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy.”
Never said empathy was weakness, or abnormal. He preferred sympathy over empathy - that part of the quote is always left out.
Sympathy is easy. It’s just acknowledging that someone is suffering or facing a struggle. Empathy requires you to put yourself in the shoes of others. You feel the suffering along with them and it’s really hard to ignore. You know why they feel how they feel and understand what should be done to help them.
Sympathy requires no action so it’s not surprising Kirk prefers it.
Got any more of them words of wisdom?
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