[Signing] Flames Sign Dustin Wolf (7 years, 7.5M aav)

[gvitaly]

That's a bargain of a deal. It's about $1M less than what I was expecting. Hopefully Wolf keeps building on last season, and becomes a top 5 goalie in the league for the foreseeable future.

I still expect some growing pains as the Vladar security blanket is removed, but I'm done betting against Wolf. I would love to see him win a Vezina, and start racking up some playoff wins.

[Bingo Jr.]

Steal.

Even happier I snagged that Wolf blasty jersey now!

[dammage79]

Now he needs a Belfour/Kipper style iconic mask

[Ashasx]

Unreal that Dustin will make less than twice as much as Trent Frederic.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Unreal that Dustin will make less than twice as much as Trent Frederic.

Is there a joke/meme that I missed, or is this the most complicated way of comparing two salaries? Maybe both?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Unreal that Dustin will make less than twice as much as Trent Frederic.

*slow clap*

Slipped that baby in with perfect timing...

[kehatch]

It is great to get another value contract on the books.

I look at 2028/29 as a critical year contract wise. Hopefully we are going to be handing out some big contracts 2027-2029, plus we will hopefully be ready to start adding to the team. Current contracts:

Good Value

• Wolf (7.5 2032/33)
• Coronoto (6.5 2031/32)
• Weegar (6.3 2030/31)

Average Value

• Kadri (7 2028/29)
• Pospisil (2.5 2028/29)

Poor Value

• Huberdeau (10.5 2030/31)
• Sharangovich (5.8 2029/30)
• Bahl (5.4 2030/31)

Assuming the cap doesn't drop and stays around 114 million then we are about 45% of the cap for 2028/29. That leaves us about 4.2 million per player for the remaining roster. That is only a bit under the average of 5 million, but we still need to pay our future top players.

Contracts like the Coronato and Wolf contracts help balance the Huberdeau contract. But Conroy is going to have to be selective in who he gives term to going forward. No offense to guys like Bahl and Sharangovich, but those aren't the types of players we should be giving long term contracts to.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

He's taken being a bust with grace. He's a great Calgarian and does a lot of charity work. If you met the guy, you would agree.

There is a lot more to life than the person on the ice.

Well thats great! he was a terrible draft pick and goalie though. lol

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Well thats great! he was a terrible draft pick and goalie though. lol

It was a while ago but I thought he was fairly decent until he blew his knee out?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It was also just a bad draft in that area.

The next picks after Krahn were:
- Mikhail Yakubov
- Pavel Vorobiev
- Alexi Smirnov
- Ron Hainsey (good pick)
- Vaclav Nedorost
- Artum Kryukov
- Marcel Hossa
- Alexei Mikhnov

So in the next 8 picks, you have 1 NHLer, before you then get to Brooks Orpik at 18.

So it was a bad pick in a sea of bad picks.

It just felt like that pick was playing to the crowd. I'm sure he would have still been around with 1 of our 2 2nd rounders.

The next goalie chosen after him was in the 2nd round and it was Bryzgalov.

[Knut]

Yeah should have taken Lundqvist at 9th overall in the Hindsight draft.

[midniteowl]

Awesome!!!

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by kehatch

No offense to guys like Bahl and Sharangovich, but those aren't the types of players we should be giving long term contracts to.

I think both Sharangovich and Bahl will surprise you.

Is Bahl at $5.35M that bad of a deal? Ceci just got $4.5M x 4 on the open market. A 5 year older Zadorov got $5M on the open market. It takes about 300 NHL games for a defenseman at the NHL level to figure things out. Don't take my word for it, that's what D. Sutter used to say, and Bahl has 221 games. That's why I actually expect him to tighten things up defensively, so he'll be a significantly better D in 2 years.

Now, as for Sharangovich, it really depends on which guy you're getting. I thought he looked really dangerous a year ago, and in camp last year until he got hurt. He and Coleman were amazing shorthanded. He was also one of the top scorers towards the end of the season. Moreover, he was money in the shootout a year ago when he had his confidence. If he can get back to being a 25 goal 50 point threat, then it's at least an average value.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Is there a joke/meme that I missed, or is this the most complicated way of comparing two salaries? Maybe both?

Yeah it's become a joke way to quantify salaries.

One of the first posts on reddit is "That’s like 1.948 Trent Frederic’s"

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think both Sharangovich and Bahl will surprise you.

Is Bahl at $5.35M that bad of a deal? Ceci just got $4.5M x 4 on the open market. A 5 year older Zadorov got $5M on the open market. It takes about 300 NHL games for a defenseman at the NHL level to figure things out. Don't take my word for it, that's what D. Sutter used to say, and Bahl has 221 games. That's why I actually expect him to tighten things up defensively, so he'll be a significantly better D in 2 years.

Now, as for Sharangovich, it really depends on which guy you're getting. I thought he looked really dangerous a year ago, and in camp last year until he got hurt. He and Coleman were amazing shorthanded. He was also one of the top scorers towards the end of the season. Moreover, he was money in the shootout a year ago when he had his confidence. If he can get back to being a 25 goal 50 point threat, then it's at least an average value.

Certainly part of the game is you have to be right on these more often than you are wrong. But even with those deals, if you are wrong, you are probably wrong by 2M max. It's not crippling.
You have to avoid the deals where you are VERY wrong.
James Neal.
Troy Brouwer
Jonathan Huberdeau

Those are REALLY wrong. And you have to avoid those particularly in contention windows where the cap has to be utilized optimally.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Certainly part of the game is you have to be right on these more often than you are wrong. But even with those deals, if you are wrong, you are probably wrong by 2M max. It's not crippling.
You have to avoid the deals where you are VERY wrong.
James Neal.
Troy Brouwer
Jonathan Huberdeau

Those are REALLY wrong. And you have to avoid those particularly in contention windows where the cap has to be utilized optimally.

I have a hard time seeing Huberdeau lumped in with Neal and Brouwer. I get it to an extent. Huberdeau is over paid for what he brings to the table statistically. But, I put Neal and Brouwer in a category where they brought negative value to the team. I don't think it's fair to have Huberdeau in that particular grouping.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I have a hard time seeing Huberdeau lumped in with Neal and Brouwer. I get it to an extent. Huberdeau is over paid for what he brings to the table statistically. But, I put Neal and Brouwer in a category where they brought negative value to the team. I don't think it's fair to have Huberdeau in that particular grouping.

I like Huberdeau including the attitude he's had. He's not being an attitude drag at all. Unlike Neal. Brouwer - not sure he ever was a drag like that either.

But it's still a REALLY bad contract given production. There's just no way around that. It's not hurting the team now because they don't need the cap, but ignoring that, it's a terrible contract including because it is completely buy-out proof.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I like Huberdeau including the attitude he's had. He's not being an attitude drag at all. Unlike Neal. Brouwer - not sure he ever was a drag like that either.

But it's still a REALLY bad contract given production. There's just no way around that. It's not hurting the team now because they don't need the cap, but ignoring that, it's a terrible contract including because it is completely buy-out proof.

By the numbers, it's the worst. I get it. There's an entire thread about it. I don't want to side track this one. Maybe it's my empathetic side popping up. Just seemed wrong putting him in with those two players.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

By the numbers, it's the worst. I get it. There's an entire thread about it. I don't want to side track this one. Maybe it's my empathetic side popping up. Just seemed wrong putting him in with those two players.

James Neal can eff off for sure.

[Fire]

This is most likely a steal of a deal starting next season.