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Old 07-24-2025, 05:55 PM   #6001
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I really hope rasmus gets traded...




I still dont think theres enough new growth in this core for it to be succesful in a few years.



If its a sweetheart hometown discount it's definitely easier to swallow, but I still think its best to move on.
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Old 07-24-2025, 05:55 PM   #6002
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If he wants to stay long term, that deal is sitting for him to sign it. Flames have made their respectful best offer. No its not market rate, no its not max term.

It's the old "hometown discount" many have and have not taken before him.
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Old 07-24-2025, 06:03 PM   #6003
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My info matches Sec.
Andersson’s want from Calgary is off significantly from what Craig feels he wants to offer.
Rasmus won’t be a flame long term at this rate.

Still told that trade is the priority, but his price is firm and won’t be pressured to low ball.
Still believes Calgary and Dallas are in talks.
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Old 07-24-2025, 06:05 PM   #6004
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Andersson+Coleman (both 50% retained) for Robertson
Zary for Rossi

Robertson-Kadri-Coronato
Huberdeau-Rossi-Sharangovich
Farabee-Frost-Pospisil
Lomberg-Backlund-Klapka

We would probably need to juice both offers. Would the Vegas 1st or Flames 2nd in the Dallas deal and Mews in the Wild deal be enough?
Man.... I just wouldn't juice that offer to get a LWer. Even with how good Robertson is, adding him to the Flames at this time does not make a lot of sense. I already think Andersson and Coleman and all of the Flames remaining retention slots for this year is a big ask for a piece we do not need.

Then again, after the Marchment trade, I think moving Robertson out of the Stars lineup makes no sense. Even with Coleman coming back... it would basically make Coleman the new #1LW with Benn and one of the centers (Duchene?) to round out the LW depth.

In the end, if Robertson were on the block then I would rather use the extra trade asset to flip him into the C we need.
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Old 07-24-2025, 06:11 PM   #6005
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Agreed, Robertson is super talented but his range is still off for when he’ll be useful for us to compete.
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Old 07-24-2025, 06:20 PM   #6006
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Everything I have heard along with what Andersson has said is his preference is a long term deal with the Flames. I don't think people get how much Andersson loves Calgary. He believes the team is headed in the right direction. I have very little doubt if Conroy offered him what he asked for when they met he would put pen to paper tmrw. For Conroy he sees good future RD in the system coming and if he can move Andersson to improve the team in the long term or that fills other holes the team has he is going to look at that. This isn't a have to trade him scenario though or that the player wants out, the player wants a certain term and dollar figure the Flames are not willing to give him right now. That does not mean the door is closed on giving it to him at a further date down the road.
This is a really great reminder to all.

The Flames do not have to brute force a deal to appease the Stars or VGK and it is not just because those two teams are bidding against other teams like the Red Wings, Sharks, Hurricane, Leafs, Bruins, Blues, Sabres... they are also bidding against the Flames who can extend Andersson, take him off the trade block, and deny all of those teams the chance to upgrade their RD depth.

I am still hopeful that the Sharks up their offer first. They must be looking at Klingberg and thinking he would look a lot better on the 3rd pair instead of the 1st pair.

Orlov-Andersson
Mukhamadullin-Liljegren
Ferraro/Dickinson-Klingberg
X: Leddy, Thompson

That D group is starting to look viable. If Dickinson kicks down the door they can trade Ferraro for an upgrade in the middle 6 wingers. But without a #1RD that right side is still pretty gross.
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Old 07-24-2025, 07:20 PM   #6007
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Once Conroy finishes telling Nill his 45th story about Jarome Iginla they will finally have a deal done.
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Old 07-24-2025, 07:52 PM   #6008
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If he wants to stay long term, that deal is sitting for him to sign it. Flames have made their respectful best offer. No its not market rate, no its not max term.

It's the old "hometown discount" many have and have not taken before him.
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My info matches Sec.
Andersson’s want from Calgary is off significantly from what Craig feels he wants to offer.
Rasmus won’t be a flame long term at this rate.

Still told that trade is the priority, but his price is firm and won’t be pressured to low ball.
Still believes Calgary and Dallas are in talks.
Yeah this lines up more with what's been said all summer. Dissentowners info sounds more like pre-off season stuff where Andersson saw (or at least publicly stated) Calgary as a priority and wanting to be a long term flame. He'll be gone most likely.

And if they don't get what they want I cant see them simply signing him well into the season as simply as diss makes jr sound. Him and his agents will just say "thank you, but we'll see what's out there July 1".
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:10 PM   #6009
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Yeah this lines up more with what's been said all summer. Dissentowners info sounds more like pre-off season stuff where Andersson saw (or at least publicly stated) Calgary as a priority and wanting to be a long term flame. He'll be gone most likely.

And if they don't get what they want I cant see them simply signing him well into the season as simply as diss makes jr sound. Him and his agents will just say "thank you, but we'll see what's out there July 1".
You keep trying to jump all over me and discredit me jayswin, fill your boots.im just passing along what I have heard recently, not earlier. The door is not closed at all on Andersson signing in Calgary.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:14 PM   #6010
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Why are you assuming the Flames are being rigid and making mistakes?
I never said they have made a mistake with Ras, summer isn't over yet.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:14 PM   #6011
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Andersson seems like the type of player who will hit a steep decline going into his 30’s.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:17 PM   #6012
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If you know of an actual offer I'm happy to debate whether or not they should have taken it.
It's doesn't matter what the offers are. I think it would be safe to assume if the offers are around 2nd round value now, we aren't getting 3 1sts at the dealine. I think it is reasonable that you could get more, but not enough for me to hold out for the little bit extra and take on the risk of him getting hurt and bury a guy ike Kuznetsov and hold Parekh off the PP so Ras can prove he is good enough to get a better return.

Just do it now...now for means before the season starts.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:20 PM   #6013
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Well I hate to disappoint you but if Conroy does not get what he wants for Andersson by the trade deadline I fully expect him to give Andersson his 8 year deal to stay in Calgary. The Flames have the cap room and the player is open to staying. Conroy can play this as long as he wants because in the end he can sign him to that long term deal and negotiate a m-ntc in year 4 or something where they can revisit a trade. It isn't like Andersson is not a useful player that can help develop the younger D men or be an important cog moving forward. If he can't get proper value in a trade he can push it down the line without losing him for pennies on the dollar.
And? He could do that, but is that better than trading him this summer? My opinion is what I think Conroy should do, not what he will do.

Also, whatever the offer is now that Ras would sign could change come trade deadline. He could play well, team could fall in the standings and he might change his mind.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:24 PM   #6014
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I do hope we trade Andersson as well, along with the other vets. I want us to be bold!

But I know realistically it won't happen.
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Old 07-24-2025, 08:34 PM   #6015
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It's doesn't matter what the offers are. I think it would be safe to assume if the offers are around 2nd round value now, we aren't getting 3 1sts at the dealine. I think it is reasonable that you could get more, but not enough for me to hold out for the little bit extra and take on the risk of him getting hurt and bury a guy ike Kuznetsov and hold Parekh off the PP so Ras can prove he is good enough to get a better return.

Just do it now...now for means before the season starts.
Do it now for what?
What’s your bare minimum
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Old 07-24-2025, 09:14 PM   #6016
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Yeah this lines up more with what's been said all summer. Dissentowners info sounds more like pre-off season stuff where Andersson saw (or at least publicly stated) Calgary as a priority and wanting to be a long term flame. He'll be gone most likely.

And if they don't get what they want I cant see them simply signing him well into the season as simply as diss makes jr sound. Him and his agents will just say "thank you, but we'll see what's out there July 1".
Dropping from an 8 year deal to a 6 year deal is not just a massive risk to Andersson... it would potentially be a 7 or 8 figure mistake. Considering how agents get paid, I highly doubt they would be advocating for a decision that reduces their earnings to that degree.

If it is a safe bet that he could get 8.5Mx8 ($68M total), he would need to get some kind of a combination of a 6 year and 2 year to get the same earnings over those years.

$10Mx6 + $4Mx2 - I don't see a GM throwing that kind of dollars at him on the first contract (but Dobson did just get $9.5M, so who knows).

$9Mx6 may be more likely on the first contract but then he would need $7Mx2 when he turns 35, which is possible but increasingly risky with age and/or injuries working against him.

Basically, if he gets hurt or loses a significant step there may not be a contract for him at 35 and that would potentially lose him $7-14M in career earnings.

If one of these GMs dangle $9-9.5Mx8 years in front of him, I don't think there is any way he can match those totals with a combination of 6+2 year deals.
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Breaking: Rasmus may be traded before the season starts, or he may not. Rasmus may be traded by the trade deadline next season, or he may not. He may still resign, or he may not. It’s all I got folks.
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Andersson seems like the type of player who will hit a steep decline going into his 30’s.
Or last year.
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Old 07-24-2025, 10:33 PM   #6019
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I personally want Ras gone asap because I think the flames might be a basement team without him. We are entering the phase of the rebuild where the flames need to get some early first round draft picks.

Good player though - one of my faves
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Old 07-24-2025, 10:36 PM   #6020
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Feels like a high likelihood this is a trade deadline item now no? 2/3 of the league seem like they are set for the year and aren't playing with a ton of cap space and it's pretty clear no one wants to pay Conroy's price. And the rest are bottom feeders who he won't want to sign with. Only scenario where it still happens seems like if someone gets badly hurt in the early part of the season and a team gets desperate.

The only thing I'm really worried about is if the flames have another road to nowhere season and bad but are sticking around in the playoff race and they can't trade him, have to keep him and lose him for nothing. Team will be way worse off next summer, worse draft pick, young player who could have had NHL minutes gets stuck in the AHL. Playing with fire there a bit I think, real shame he couldn't be moved at the draft this year, felt like a perfect opportunity to get younger, but I respect that the offers must have been bad and Conroy stuck to his guns. Just too bad he couldn't have pulled anything off. I do also feel like the Flames would be better off as an organization with a "B" level return for him just by getting him off the roster, getting a slightly better pick next year and investing his ice time in a young player who can improve.

Given no one stepped up to acquire him, I also wonder a bit if Andersson is going to be Glencrossed next summer and be a bit surprised when no one backs up the brinks truck for him. Maybe a lot of other teams see his lack of footspeed and just aren't sold on him as more than a 4
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