[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nowhere did I say they were making the right decisions.

I just question that a lack of doing something is proof that they didn't look at it and decide against it.

Using strawman is weak.

I didn't "misrepresents, exaggerates, or distorts an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack"

Just said it was a big assumption to just assume they didn't look at moving other players at other times and then just decided the offers would be better in the future.

Trying to write off peoples takes as being "hindsight" and then saying fans were just impatient, and that you could look back at the 1995 draft thread and see the same thing is 100% a strawman.

You're trying to distort the argument and devalue people's position on this situation.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A lot of people wanted to trade him in order to make the team worse and tank, not because they thought he was worth more with two years left versus one year.

I'm sure some thought that.

But many people were saying to maximize the return you'd ship him out with 2 years of 50a% retention.

And those people were correct - 2 years of Andersson at under $2.5M would have garnered the biggest return.

[Vedder]

Vegas will run into a wall with term veterans making big cap past their prime, with no assets to move on from them. Unless they just LTIR the situation away.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yanda

Team should just sit him in the press box all year, he was #### last year anyways

I’m actually serious about this because after about game 2 watch that reluctance to sign with only one team explode into almost any other NHL team.

Andersson’s not dealing in good faith so I’m just wondering why everyone expects the Flames to?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah sadly the Flames needed to go full nuke rebuild and the time to do that was last year.

And the Mr. Nice Guy management still wont do much, or setting up a culture of hard work.

The culture that is attracting players is the ones that win and have aggressive management. He didn't go to LA apparently and I wonder why? A 70 year old manager who uses toilet seats to describe his team and getting constantly dummied by the Oilers.

All I hear from Conroy is how he is great buddies with Andersson and will be no matter what happens. Well your buddy is actively sticking it to you.

[Burning Beard]

The trade deadline isn't tomorrow and lots can and always does change in the NHL. Rasmus also was looking like he could wear the C after Backlund and from all accounts liked the organization and city so in my opinion I can see why the management wasn't cutthroat with him last year. Now if this rumor is true that really stinks from the players side but all they can do now is try to extract the best value for him. Everything isn't as black and white as some posters seem to make it.

[Toonage]

Take another run at signing him I guess or just move him to the highest bidder to any team not in his no trade as a 1 year rental but don’t give him what he wants. They have to break this pattern.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

And the Mr. Nice Guy management still wont do much, or setting up a culture of hard work.

So they should sit any vet with a NMC until they waive? Andersson is the only flub so far imo

[Royle9]

I will add that this is a very cleverly worded article, not wrong but not completely right either.

We've known one thing since last season, Rasmus wants to compete for a cup.
This isn't a surprise, he's been pretty open when sharing he wants to play for a contender not a bottom feeder nor a bubble team.

So saying he'll only sign with VGK is a bit "click bait" if you will, as there's a plethora of teams he would sign with but only teams who are making play off pushes pretty consistently, so that narrows it down.

Of the teams who have put out strong offers contingent on him re-signing then yes VGK is the only team, because Rasmus is not signing an extension in Ottawa, or Buffalo or Columbus. I think he would consider L.A but he's since taken a page out of Hanifin's book and now wants to try and leverage his willingness to sign an extension by saying only VGK. There's been other teams that have interest, I know Florida considered it for a while but the money can't be found now with extensions to Bennett and likely Marchand.

Calgary needs to shut this #### down immediately.
VGK has very little to offer in futures that is really going to be impactful.
1st round picks... very late ones, their prospect pool is very weak.

Top 3 prospects for Vegas right now:
Trevor Connelly
Lukas Cormier
Brendan Brisson

Nothing spectacular, Matthieu Cataford from last year? High ceiling but a long way to go.
Really don't like anything they have to offer.

So Craig needs to stand firm and if Rasmus wants to be an idiot about it, when they were both on pretty good terms then I agree, we leverage him as a rental at the deadline and say F U to VGK.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’m actually serious about this because after about game 2 watch that reluctance to sign with only one team explode into almost any other NHL team.

Andersson’s not dealing in good faith so I’m just wondering why everyone expects the Flames to?

He’s acting well within his contractual rights, but the Flames should be doing no favours and stop with the wishy washy commentary about what a great guy he is. Hard to imagine the rental market can’t offer a better return than Vegas. Get it done.

[HighLifeMan]

This is either Andersson's agent leaking this (which I don't see the upside in doing for him or his client) or Vegas' side trying to put pressure on Conny to make a deal. This may not even be true for all we know.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If I'm the Flames I tell Vegas that if they don't meet the price, we will pivot to auctioning him off as a 1 year rental with retention.

this is where I am at, honestly. Let the UFA dust settle, set a reasonable deadline (July/August) for interested teams not on his NTC list, trade him to the highest bidder. Don't think it makes sense to go into the season with him on the roster after this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Vegas will run into a wall with term veterans making big cap past their prime, with no assets to move on from them. Unless they just LTIR the situation away.

Thats the thing. They toss away vets for stars who are younger and in their prime, and it seems like no end in sight if they do with Marner. Ok bye Stone, hello Marner. Ok bye Pieterangelo, hello XXX.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Vedder

He’s acting well within his contractual rights, but the Flames should be doing no favours and stop with the wishy washy commentary about what a great guy he is. Hard to imagine the rental market can’t offer a better return than Vegas. Get it done.

Yeah that’s fair

[stemit14]

Royle/Sec - any insight into how you think this has progressed and where it’s at now? You both mentioned there was a lot of interest in Andersson over the last few months/weeks. Has this Vegas thing crushed the potential return the flames were looking at leading up to the draft?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Take another run at signing him I guess or just move him to the highest bidder to any team not in his no trade as a 1 year rental but don’t give him what he wants. They have to break this pattern.

No point in re-signing him to a terrible contract. I’m not too worried about this pattern as the Flames should be at about the tail end of it for now

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every situation is unique and many people here were banging the table to trade Andersson last offseason because it was obvious that was the right move.

The team was rebuilding and indicated they weren't looking to contend.

Andersson's next contract was going to be for his 30-37 year old seasons.

Flames already had Weegar locked up long term, Brzustewicz was acquired, and they took Parekh 9th overall.

In order to maximize the return it was clear that trading him with 2 years with 50% retention would have brought back a haul.

But Flames did Flames things and didn't want to sell off more pieces after already moving Markstrom and Mangiapane.

Extension shouldn't even be part of the discussion now, just tell teams he wants to test free agency and sell him to the highest bidder that's happy to take the risk.

Dont play into his hands by being the nice guys and move him to Vegas.

I see no way they will "be nice guys and move him to Vegas".

They will move him to the best package. If the Vegas package is better because it is a signed Andersson, then so be it. If another package is better as a rental, so be it. That's what they will do.

The handwringing is unncessary.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I will add that this is a very cleverly worded article, not wrong but not completely right either.

We've known one thing since last season, Rasmus wants to compete for a cup.
This isn't a surprise, he's been pretty open when sharing he wants to play for a contender not a bottom feeder nor a bubble team.

So saying he'll only sign with VGK is a bit "click bait" if you will, as there's a plethora of teams he would sign with but only teams who are making play off pushes pretty consistently, so that narrows it down.

Of the teams who have put out strong offers contingent on him re-signing then yes VGK is the only team, because Rasmus is not signing an extension in Ottawa, or Buffalo or Columbus. I think he would consider L.A but he's since taken a page out of Hanifin's book and now wants to try and leverage his willingness to sign an extension by saying only VGK. There's been other teams that have interest, I know Florida considered it for a while but the money can't be found now with extensions to Bennett and likely Marchand.

Calgary needs to shut this #### down immediately.
VGK has very little to offer in futures that is really going to be impactful.
1st round picks... very late ones, their prospect pool is very weak.

Top 3 prospects for Vegas right now:
Trevor Connelly
Lukas Cormier
Brendan Brisson

Nothing spectacular, Matthieu Cataford from last year? High ceiling but a long way to go.
Really don't like anything they have to offer.

So Craig needs to stand firm and if Rasmus wants to be an idiot about it, when they were both on pretty good terms then I agree, we leverage him as a rental at the deadline and say F U to VGK.

I agree with you here, Royle. However, I would say F U to VGK and trade him now to a team that he won't resign with now but might be open to. They get 8 months to convince him to sign an extension. If he doesn't commit by Xmas, they can ship him out themselves if they want to. Either way, maybe it's an offer slightly above rental price. 1st + 2 2nds in value from a team that isn't guaranteed to finish top 6 in the league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So they should sit any vet with a NMC until they waive? Andersson is the only flub so far imo

They didn't even settle on a direction until Hanifin said no. They should have decided in the summer what they wanted to do and that was sign these guys.

[kobasew19]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I will add that this is a very cleverly worded article, not wrong but not completely right either.

We've known one thing since last season, Rasmus wants to compete for a cup.
This isn't a surprise, he's been pretty open when sharing he wants to play for a contender not a bottom feeder nor a bubble team.

So saying he'll only sign with VGK is a bit "click bait" if you will, as there's a plethora of teams he would sign with but only teams who are making play off pushes pretty consistently, so that narrows it down.

Of the teams who have put out strong offers contingent on him re-signing then yes VGK is the only team, because Rasmus is not signing an extension in Ottawa, or Buffalo or Columbus. I think he would consider L.A but he's since taken a page out of Hanifin's book and now wants to try and leverage his willingness to sign an extension by saying only VGK. There's been other teams that have interest, I know Florida considered it for a while but the money can't be found now with extensions to Bennett and likely Marchand.

Calgary needs to shut this #### down immediately.
VGK has very little to offer in futures that is really going to be impactful.
1st round picks... very late ones, their prospect pool is very weak.

Top 3 prospects for Vegas right now:
Trevor Connelly
Lukas Cormier
Brendan Brisson

Nothing spectacular, Matthieu Cataford from last year? High ceiling but a long way to go.
Really don't like anything they have to offer.

So Craig needs to stand firm and if Rasmus wants to be an idiot about it, when they were both on pretty good terms then I agree, we leverage him as a rental at the deadline and say F U to VGK.

Any insight on what the Kings may have offered? Clarke and a first?

[FlamesDraftPrognosticator]

Any word on who maybe been included in that “whopper of a deal” from LA? To hear the word whopper return must’ve been something big.