[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Where are all those super funny Debbie Downer pictures now, after people were throwing them around last year when others rightly pointed out this was an entirely predictable outcome? Completely avoidable situation that is honestly pretty unacceptable from management given how often this pattern has been repeated.

This organization makes short sighted decisions again and again. But clearly they have many defenders on here, despite 2 playoff wins in two decades.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt if we had a proven track record of any success whatsoever. We just keep repeating the same stupid mistakes.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The fault lies at the feet of our management group, not Andersson.

I disagree, if hes going to strong arm us to only 1 team then hes 100% to blame. Thats ridicously selfish of him and he deserves to be booed for it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hanifin held is hostage as well to get to Tampa. Luckily we got a 1st for him, and Tampa went in a different direction so he signed with Vegas.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Jing

I wonder what the difference in return would be for an extended Ras vs rental? If the delta isn't much then might as well just get bids bases on a rental value.

Get Anderson's list of teams on his no trade list, send an email to every other team and ask for your best offer for 50% retained Ras for this season. If I was Conroy (or in his position) I would get vindictive in this one case, send him to the worst team not on his list.

The only time the sign and trade worked is with Tkachuk. He seemed to have been honest enough that he wasn't signing again, told the GM he would like Florida but didn't leak it to the press which allowed Treliving to get the best deal possible. Conroy seems to have followed this, but Hanifin and now Anderson seem to think they get to leak stuff like this.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Yeah, this is a great way to attract players down the line. Let's show how childish and spiteful we are. The rest of the locke rroom will love that too, a long time player and leader on the team is sent him because a teammate is doing things available to him within the collective bargaining agreement.

Thankfully Conroy is more mature than this nonsense.

Conroy will act mature and professional I am sure.

However, Vegas has burned more than a few players on their way out the door and are still a huge FA destination. Why? We can talk about taxes but the biggest reason is they are a cup contender every year.

Treating players amazingly MAY help us sign impactful FA eventually.

Becoming a sustainable contender WILL help us sign impactful FA.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

What is there to learn? Players in Rasmus' position hold the cards. That's the reality of the NHL today. It's not Conroy's fault that a few players have held him over a barrel and have been unwilling to consider other options.

Originally Posted by Bingo

No it wasn't.

They traded players that were expiring.

Andersson wasn't expiring.

They went into the season with an insane amount of cap space. They weren't trying to win this year. Everyone knew Rasmus would be 29 at the end of this contract and it made zero sense to sign him long term with Weegar and ESPECIALLY after we drafted Parekh. This was an avoidable situation. That's why it's frustrating

[Bingo]

Must be an age thing ... probably because I'm sick as a dog today too ... but I find the high level of outrage when following a sports team just so over the top and exhausting.

Takes some of the fun out of the website for me in recent years (my posting rate is way down).

I have some room for anger when the team makes a terrible trade.

I don't on news tidbits that have the fans all feeling intellectually superior to people that have knowledge of what was actually on the table, and what wasn't.

Rant over.

Back to napping.

[Niemo]

Almost hoping that Ekblad goes somewhere else (that doesn't have what we need or doesn't want Ras) now so Florida is a contender for Ras.

Ekblad to Sharks

Florida is always a resigning destination.....and now with cap space and a need.

Samoskevich + WSH 2026 2nd + FLA 2028 1st (unprotected)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Impatient hockey fans that want trades at any cost isn't proof of knowing how this would have played out or a higher intellect than the current GM that has all the info.

I think we could look at the 1995 draft day thread and see the same thing.

That's such a straw man, but we all have to toe the company line that the Flames are making the right decisions I guess.

Other situations aren't even relevant, but there were a bunch of people that were assessing this specific scenario and it looks like we were right.

Let's look back to last season.

-After last season there were rumours that some Flames were unhappy with the direction of the team after the Tkachuk, Toffoli, Hanifin, and Lindholm trades. One of the rumoured players was Andersson.

-Andersson had a bit of a harsh reaction at the 2024 Garbage Bag day and wouldn't commit past his two remaining years

https://thewincolumn.ca/2024/04/20/e...-cleanout-day/

- Flames traded Markstrom and rumours were Andersson was frustrated with that move as well.

Those were the discussions.

Then you add the fact that he's 30 at his next contract start, Flames were deep on RH prospects with Weegar locked up long term, and the team was retooling anyways and weren't looking to contend.

Honestly Conroy and the management team having even more information and still failing to make the proper decision just makes them look even worse, because it was obvious from the outside to move this player last year.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The return of getting him for one year versus getting him for two years is not that substantial. I don’t know why people are freaking out about this.

There appears to be a lot of revisionist history going on here. Hands up to everybody who were so pro trading him last year at this time. I'll wait.

[Yanda]

I dont see this trade happening till the trade deadine if it happens at all, if he's only worth a 2nd and a #15 rated prospect now because of tampering so be it, might as well give him all the defensive zone starts ect. No reason to prop up his value on the next contract if it doesnt benefit us at all.

[OldSam]

This is the one thing I HATE. I call it media tampering, being the team or agent or player leaker to screw each other. Who are the "league sources" LeBrun talks about? I tend to be a fool me once person. Ask Ras if it is true. If so, he gets an offer he can't refuse.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A cap crunched league with 2 years of Andersson at 2.25M against your cap gets you a lot more.

A rental Andersson who is controlling things gets you less. If he came with an extension we might get good or equal value, but we let the player control things in the name of culture and sending the right message to the room.

[Nelson]

Get the 6-team no trade list if you don’t already have it. Ask the other 25 teams for their best offers without an extension in place. Create a rental market. Trade Andersson to the highest bidder, or wait if no satisfactory deal materializes. We’re fine.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Must be an age thing ... probably because I'm sick as a dog today too ... but I find the high level of outrage when following a sports team just so over the top and exhausting.

Takes some of the fun out of the website for me in recent years (my posting rate is way down).

I have some room for anger when the team makes a terrible trade.

I don't on news tidbits that have the fans all feeling intellectually superior to people that have knowledge of what was actually on the table, and what wasn't.

Rant over.

Back to napping.

I don’t really read these comments as “outrage”, I guess. Just opinions about how the Flames didn’t handle this one the best which is just true. I agree with you it’s easy now to look back and say “well that’s the benefit of hindsight” but also that’s why these experts are experts is to avoid this situation.

It’s a near impossible job, being an exec in the NHL as 31 teams aren’t happy with their management teams. Conroy will be fine with this one, and the management group. It really isn’t a big deal as it’s not like they can control what Andersson will wont do, but clear now a new tone and direction is needed in handling pending UFAs and that includes players that are 2 or so years out not just 1.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's such a straw man, but we all have to toe the company line that the Flames are making the right decisions I guess.

Other situations aren't even relevant, but there were a bunch of people that were assessing this specific scenario and it looks like we were right.

Let's look back to last season.

-After last season there were rumours that some Flames were unhappy with the direction of the team after the Tkachuk, Toffoli, Hanifin, and Lindholm trades. One of the rumoured players was Andersson.

-Andersson had a bit of a harsh reaction at the 2024 Garbage Bag day and wouldn't commit past his two remaining years

https://thewincolumn.ca/2024/04/20/e...-cleanout-day/

- Flames traded Markstrom and rumours were Andersson was frustrated with that move as well.

Those were the discussions.

Then you add the fact that he's 30 at his next contract start, Flames were deep on RH prospects with Weegar locked up long term, and the team was retooling anyways and weren't looking to contend.

Honestly Conroy and the management team having even more information and still failing to make the proper decision just makes them look even worse, because it was obvious from the outside to move this player last year.

Nowhere did I say they were making the right decisions.

I just question that a lack of doing something is proof that they didn't look at it and decide against it.

Using strawman is weak.

I didn't "misrepresents, exaggerates, or distorts an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack"

Just said it was a big assumption to just assume they didn't look at moving other players at other times and then just decided the offers would be better in the future.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Conroy will act mature and professional I am sure.

However, Vegas has burned more than a few players on their way out the door and are still a huge FA destination. Why? We can talk about taxes but the biggest reason is they are a cup contender every year.

Treating players amazingly MAY help us sign impactful FA eventually.

Becoming a sustainable contender WILL help us sign impactful FA.

They sure weren't this year. They didn't look good at all, and their window is closing fast.

Players like Vegas because (a) it's Vegas, (b) taxes and (c) it's Vegas.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I hope you are right, but maybe Claude reps client that way he played; all out war, anything is permissible, win at all costs.

How CC resolves this #### show, and what he learns from it going forward (demonstrable to us anyways) will determine whether I still support him.

He can’t keep finding himself in this situation (important player #### shows). At some point we have to accept he is the problem.

There will always be lots of people that want the GM job here. We need to find one with no shame, that gives zero ####s about 31 other teams, and who rolls his eyes at every player that says they want to be here, or love it here.

We don't know that GMCC is actually in this situation. Lebrun could just be talking nonsense to get clicks or because Vegas told him to.

I stand by my previous posts that this is all smoke and mirrors until tomorrow when the rubber hits the road.

[Vedder]

50% retained for one year should carry a high rental price for teams with cap problems, given uniqueness of position and his skillset. Not ideal that he is limiting the extension options, but do not favour keeping him and risking injury in hopes of slightly better return at deadline.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Must be an age thing ... probably because I'm sick as a dog today too ... but I find the high level of outrage when following a sports team just so over the top and exhausting.

Takes some of the fun out of the website for me in recent years (my posting rate is way down).

I have some room for anger when the team makes a terrible trade.

I don't on news tidbits that have the fans all feeling intellectually superior to people that have knowledge of what was actually on the table, and what wasn't.

Rant over.

Back to napping.

The Flames have been a rough ride since the implosion of the Gaudreau and Tkachuk situation so I get the frustration haha. The Andersson one just irks me because everything else they did was pointed towards a rebuild in the offseason but they kept Andersson. They pretty much had to keep him at the deadline with how they were playing though.
I will give you the people who keep dragging on the Kadri NMC