[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by manwiches

There appears to be a lot of revisionist history going on here. Hands up to everybody who were so pro trading him last year at this time. I'll wait.

I can't speak for everyone but I have been adamant about trading Andersson, Coleman, Kadri, and Markstrom for a long time.

We ended up getting a good deal for Markstrom. We likely could have had good offers for the other 3 at the trade deadline.

There are many posters like me who said we need to get rid of these vets and embrace a rebuild. But that is a discussion for another day. But it isn't revisionist history, I have been consistent even when we were in a playoff spot.

[NegativeSpace]

The reality is that behaviour like this by Rasmus will just make Calgary stop allowing negotiations of extensions as part of trades as a rule. The players basically kill the market. Leave the question a mystery for other teams and just get the rental price.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Vegas will definitely be bad at some point. Having two of their 1st round picks would be good. Not sure what the prospect pool is like for them.

God awful
Maybe the worst in the league

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's such a straw man, but we all have to toe the company line that the Flames are making the right decisions I guess.

Other situations aren't even relevant, but there were a bunch of people that were assessing this specific scenario and it looks like we were right.

Let's look back to last season.

-After last season there were rumours that some Flames were unhappy with the direction of the team after the Tkachuk, Toffoli, Hanifin, and Lindholm trades. One of the rumoured players was Andersson.

-Andersson had a bit of a harsh reaction at the 2024 Garbage Bag day and wouldn't commit past his two remaining years

https://thewincolumn.ca/2024/04/20/e...-cleanout-day/

- Flames traded Markstrom and rumours were Andersson was frustrated with that move as well.

Those were the discussions.

Then you add the fact that he's 30 at his next contract start, Flames were deep on RH prospects with Weegar locked up long term, and the team was retooling anyways and weren't looking to contend.

Honestly Conroy and the management team having even more information and still failing to make the proper decision just makes them look even worse, because it was obvious from the outside to move this player last year.

Exactly..... I do not understand how people feel that this frustration half of us are feeling because of the exact sequence above is unjustified.

Patience in some cases can be a nice way of expressing 'fear of doing the wrong thing'. I would never accuse Conroy of not working his ass off for the Flames - but this treating players like gold only to be slapped on their way out trend needs a revisit.

We can still treat players like gold but we need reciprocation for the relationship to be 2-way beneficial. Currently, it is a 1-way street.....but we can say we have built a culture - however, I would argue that you can keep treating players like gold and sacrificing the Flames for the players individual interests, but if you do not have difference makers and are not winning bunch (go hand in hand), players will think about coming here - but that's it. Florida and Tampa were not destinations when they sucked for years. Detroit was a top destination (despite one of the worst actual cities to live in (only through hearsay)) for years during their dynasty.

[Mr.Coffee]

I don’t really buy the taxes thing too much. It’s a small factor, sure, but teams in high tax jurisdictions are still able to sign people, still good teams, etc.

I’d say year round warm weather is the biggest draw and unfair advantage and that’s a tricky one for the NHL to fix.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's such a straw man, but we all have to toe the company line that the Flames are making the right decisions I guess.

Other situations aren't even relevant, but there were a bunch of people that were assessing this specific scenario and it looks like we were right.

Let's look back to last season.

-After last season there were rumours that some Flames were unhappy with the direction of the team after the Tkachuk, Toffoli, Hanifin, and Lindholm trades. One of the rumoured players was Andersson.

-Andersson had a bit of a harsh reaction at the 2024 Garbage Bag day and wouldn't commit past his two remaining years

https://thewincolumn.ca/2024/04/20/e...-cleanout-day/

- Flames traded Markstrom and rumours were Andersson was frustrated with that move as well.

Those were the discussions.

Then you add the fact that he's 30 at his next contract start, Flames were deep on RH prospects with Weegar locked up long term, and the team was retooling anyways and weren't looking to contend.

Honestly Conroy and the management team having even more information and still failing to make the proper decision just makes them look even worse, because it was obvious from the outside to move this player last year.

Thats the issue with this partial rebuild, you back yourself into situations like this.

The relationship with Markstrom was nuked, and we got ahead of that one. That should have been a lesson. Hanifin holding us hostgage should have been a lesson.

You have your core 3 of vets, maybe 4 with Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and Backlund. You can always fill the roster with vets in free agency as you rebuild.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Wolven

We don't know that GMCC is actually in this situation. Lebrun could just be talking nonsense to get clicks or because Vegas told him to.

I stand by my previous posts that this is all smoke and mirrors until tomorrow when the rubber hits the road.

Lebrun imo has been the most accurate insider when it comes to the Flames for the past decade or so.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What of this is hindsight though?

Go look at the 2024 Draft day and Free Agency threads.

The people frustrated now were the people saying to trade Andersson then to maximize return.

This isn't hindsight.

A lot of people wanted to trade him in order to make the team worse and tank, not because they thought he was worth more with two years left versus one year.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The return of getting him for one year versus getting him for two years is not that substantial. I don’t know why people are freaking out about this.

CC has one job: optimize the roster.

Scouts did all the work for the draft.

That leaves UFA and RFA contracts for this off season.

Probably the biggest item is next year’s UFA Ras, who doesn’t fit in long term because of the plethora of RHD D coming through the system. He also happens to be in demand.

Like Marky last year, what ensues is a embarrassing #### show.

That’s what disappoints me. Not freaking out. But my team looks like dunce cap losers right now at the expense of VGK. I would feel the same if they beat us 14-0 in a game.

[devo22]

I don't necessarily buy the "they'll be bad at some point" thing. They are an attractive destination and have an aggressive front office, it seems to me that they have everything you need in order to at least somewhat stay competitive even without a great prospect pool. Heck, I think their prospect pool has been #### pretty much since they entered the league, but it hasn't mattered one bit.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Thats the issue with this partial rebuild, you back yourself into situations like this.

The relationship with Markstrom was nuked, and we got ahead of that one. That should have been a lesson. Hanifin holding us hostgage should have been a lesson.

You have your core 3 of vets, maybe 4 with Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and Backlund. You can always fill the roster with vets in free agency as you rebuild.

Yeah sadly the Flames needed to go full nuke rebuild and the time to do that was last year.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by devo22

I don't necessarily buy the "they'll be bad at some point" thing. They are an attractive destination and have an aggressive front office, it seems to me that they have everything you need in order to at least somewhat stay competitive even without a great prospect pool. Heck, I think their prospect pool has been #### pretty much since they entered the league, but it hasn't mattered one bit.

Players all beg to get traded there. They will not be bad any time soon. It's really annoying lol.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Vedder

50% retained for one year should carry a high rental price for teams with cap problems, given uniqueness of position and his skillset. Not ideal that he is limiting the extension options, but do not favour keeping him and risking injury in hopes of slightly better return at deadline.

I feel like we've been in this spot before and our expectations were too high

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[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I can't speak for everyone but I have been adamant about trading Andersson, Coleman, Kadri, and Markstrom for a long time.

We ended up getting a good deal for Markstrom. We likely could have had good offers for the other 3 at the trade deadline.

There are many posters like me who said we need to get rid of these vets and embrace a rebuild. But that is a discussion for another day. But it isn't revisionist history, I have been consistent even when we were in a playoff spot.

Also agreed 100%.

This narrative on building a winning culture is overrated......a winning culture that doesn't make the playoffs fades quick. A weaker winning culture can be turned with a sudden infusion of talent and the right personalities.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Someone said it best in the trade rumors thread: the minute we drafted Parekh, Andersson should have been on the block. Oh but wait, it's not too late... After acquiring Brzustewicz a few months prior, AND drafting Mews in the same draft the day after, you still had that chance of trading him during the offseason of 2024.

At least we traded Markstrom when we did. Should have done the same with Andersson. I get no one was necessarily knocking on the door for Andersson's spot, a lot of question marks on defense, but it was till the right time to do it.

Can't say the 2025 TDL was a good time to do it because it wasn't. We were chasing a playoff spot.

[Bonded]

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah sadly the Flames needed to go full nuke rebuild and the time to do that was last year.

Andersson is the only player who was an easy sell last summer. Maybe Kadri, Coleman, and Backlund will want out now but hard to move a player who doesn’t want to be moved.

[Yanda]

Team should just sit him in the press box all year, he was #### last year anyways

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Wolven

We don't know that GMCC is actually in this situation. Lebrun could just be talking nonsense to get clicks or because Vegas told him to.

I stand by my previous posts that this is all smoke and mirrors until tomorrow when the rubber hits the road.

I sure hop you are right.

If this is as bad as it looks I am going to be bummed and less optimistic that we have the right guy in charge. That would suck as CC is a club legend.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Must be an age thing ... probably because I'm sick as a dog today too ... but I find the high level of outrage when following a sports team just so over the top and exhausting.

Takes some of the fun out of the website for me in recent years (my posting rate is way down).

I have some room for anger when the team makes a terrible trade.

I don't on news tidbits that have the fans all feeling intellectually superior to people that have knowledge of what was actually on the table, and what wasn't.

Rant over.

Back to napping.

Feel better, and your contribution and takes are always welcome as far as I'm concerned. I can't say I always agree, but I like having the discussion.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

CC has one job: optimize the roster.

Scouts did all the work for the draft.

That leaves UFA and RFA contracts for this off season.

Probably the biggest item is next year’s UFA Ras, who doesn’t fit in long term because of the plethora of RHD D coming through the system. He also happens to be in demand.

Like Marky last year, what ensues is a embarrassing #### show.

That’s what disappoints me. Not freaking out. But my team looks like dunce cap losers right now at the expense of VGK. I would feel the same if they beat us 14-0 in a game.

What are you even talking about? What embarrassing #### show?


OK sure maybe in hindsight it is now obvious that they should’ve traded Ras last summer. But that doesn’t mean that they didn’t consider it last year and then decide against it based on all the evidence and facts available at that time.

No one could predict who Ras would want to sign with 12 months ago when evaluating his value this summer.

If we traded him last year and the return was not as substantial as we wanted there would be just as many people saying that we should’ve waited and traded him this summer when his return was maximized. Or at the deadline.

It’s also impossible for us to speculate on what his plans were going forward with respect to the flames. Maybe they valued his contributions to the room and on the ice last season more than they valued the slight increase in return.

Nothing about this is embarrassing. It’s the GM of a hockey team evaluating and making decisions based on the information available to him at that moment.

There’s nothing easier in sports fandom than looking backwards and evaluating moves and picking them apart.

It also completely ignores the fact that we don’t even know what the return is gonna be for him yet. Maybe we’ll still get a great return and everyone will be happy.