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Old 06-27-2025, 09:32 AM   #2021
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Rasmus - 2.275

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Robertson - 7.75
Duma - 3.75
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So 13.75 out. 2.275 in. That’s almost 11.5 right there
Geez, we might as well take Johnston off their hands too.
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Rasmus - 2.275

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Duma - 3.75
Russian D - 3.25

So 13.75 out. 2.275 in. That’s almost 11.5 right there
That takes up pretty much all of the Flames cap space.

They have $28.5M of space with 16 guys signed. Between Bahl, Zary, Frost that takes up $13M of that space. Still need a backup goalie and fill out the roster. They could do something like this but they bump right up against the cap if they do
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Old 06-27-2025, 09:33 AM   #2023
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If the Flames replace Mantha with Robertson, and Andersson with Parekh, then I could see them scoring at least 25-30 more goals this season. If that's the case, then I can easily see them being a 100 pt team next season.
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Old 06-27-2025, 09:33 AM   #2024
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Frank was throwing out the notion of Dallas dumping enough salary to take a run at Marner which would be wild. I do t see how they somehow free up $12M
Easy peasy get Seguin up here along with all the futures you have... Just need to convince the player somehow. Is Nill a break your knees kinda guy?
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He as pretty productive for them, and even then at the end of his time there, they were able to recoup a lot of asset quality:

2019-Dec-16 Traded from New Jersey Devils with Blake Speers to Arizona Coyotes for Kevin Bahl, Nate Schnarr, Nick Merkley, conditional round 1 pick in the 2020 draft (Dawson Mercer) and conditional round 3 pick in the 2021 draft (Ryder Korczak)


I don't know how that is anything but an easy win for the Devils. Larsson was lost for nothing in an expansion draft.
Yeah agreed and add to it that the trade tree now includes Marky in there. All for just Larsson.

Meanwhile the Oilers haaaaave... absolutely nothing remaining from trading Hall.

Doesn't really matter how well either team has done since the trade or how well Hall/Larsson did in their respective tenures for each team. The Devils have a ton of assets remaining from the trade and the Oilers have nothing.

I think this is the argument to why you'd trade Raz for Robertson - because the potential ongoing value you can get from trading for a player like Robertson is huge.
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Old 06-27-2025, 09:42 AM   #2026
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That takes up pretty much all of the Flames cap space.

They have $28.5M of space with 16 guys signed. Between Bahl, Zary, Frost that takes up $13M of that space. Still need a backup goalie and fill out the roster. They could do something like this but they bump right up against the cap if they do
If it gets us an undisputed top line player, it’s worth it. Opportunities like this don’t come around often.
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Old 06-27-2025, 09:42 AM   #2027
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On what could be a bargain contract with the cap rise.
How do you figure?

He has one year left at $7.75M and undoubtedly will be looking for a big raise. That is precisely why DAL is considering moving him.
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How do you figure?

He has one year left at $7.75M and undoubtedly will be looking for a big raise. That is precisely why DAL is considering moving him.
Agreed, it could take ~10m+ to resign the guy

Stars, are right up against it, to create that type of space.
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Old 06-27-2025, 09:49 AM   #2029
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I like Robertson, but trading for him is definitely a buyer beware situation. It has the makings of a re-run of the Huberdeau situation. Take a 100 point winger from another team, give him a $10m+ contract and watch him become a 50-60 point guy in Calgary.
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If it gets us an undisputed top line player, it’s worth it. Opportunities like this don’t come around often.
I don’t disagree but just not sure that is the right player at the right time for the Flames but the value is likely too good to pass up. Lybushkin fits a role on the team as well.
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Man, any type of a Ras for Johnston + capdump would be a dream scenario. I don't think Wyatt is going anywhere, even WITH his poor playoff performance.

.....But swap Robertson in...That could/should have legs.
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I like Robertson, but trading for him is definitely a buyer beware situation. It has the makings of a re-run of the Huberdeau situation. Take a 100 point winger from another team, give him a $10m+ contract and watch him become a 50-60 point guy in Calgary.
I don’t think Robertson’s give a #### meter is in the negatives like Huberdeau though. There’s a good reason nobody in history has ever seen their production crater like Huberdeau’s did.
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I like Robertson, but trading for him is definitely a buyer beware situation. It has the makings of a re-run of the Huberdeau situation. Take a 100 point winger from another team, give him a $10m+ contract and watch him become a 50-60 point guy in Calgary.
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I like Robertson, but trading for him is definitely a buyer beware situation. It has the makings of a re-run of the Huberdeau situation. Take a 100 point winger from another team, give him a $10m+ contract and watch him become a 50-60 point guy in Calgary.
This is the mentality that keeps you mediocre.

Take shots. Take chances. Get high end talent.
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I like Robertson, but if you look at Stanley cup winning teams. He's probably 3-5th best forwards on most of those teams.

Florida for example, I'm taking Barkov, Reinhart and Tkachuk for sure. Do we want to pay him $11-12 mil in a year and pay a ton of assets to get him when he isn't on the level of elite players you need to win?
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Do not want Robertson. The guy isn't a winner, look at how bad is he every playoffs. His compete level is so low, but he has some natural talent.

We already took a guy like that in Huberdeau. This really stinks of another Huberdeau situation.
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It would have to be like Andersson signed, Brzustewicz and Zary. This is actually like our Tkachuk deal in some ways. Hes an elite 90 pt winger in despite of his skating, and hes big and young.... they aren't taking just Andersson straight up lets be real here.
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Do not want Robertson. The guy isn't a winner, look at how bad is he every playoffs. His compete level is so low, but he has some natural talent.

We already took a guy like that in Huberdeau. This really stinks of another Huberdeau situation.
Wasn't he hurt for the most part?
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I would be ecstatic if the Flames somehow land Robertson. 26 year old player who has scored 348 points in their last 320 games. That is a superstar and someone the Flames can hopefully build around.

As for the playoffs, how did Tkachuk do in his first couple of times? He basically got into dumb fights and got injured. Numbers weren't really that impressive either.
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Wasn't he hurt for the most part?
So was Reinhart and Tkachuk. The way Reinhart played, nobody could have guessed he was hurt.
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