SCF: Florida Panthers (A3) vs Edmonton Oilers (P3) - PANTHERS WIIIIN 4-2!!!

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You realize that getting 4 first overall picks in six years isn't something you can just "try" into, right?

That's why the Oilers are where they are.

Great. The Oilers are at one extreme and the Flames are at the other. The Panthers, Lightning, Avs, etc are all way closer to one of those extremes and it isn't Calgary's. Nobody is saying they have to make 4 top picks but they can't keep going on like this, either.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So they should just draft another McDavid.
Well #### - it's just that easy!

Let's not act like that's what I'm asking for. At the same time, the Oilers' success in the 80s definitely had an influence on the Flames finally putting it together.

[blender]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would like to live in a world where Flames fans hold their team to the standard of being able to compete with the very best instead of just pretending that their provincial rival is still somehow a leaguewide joke. They're in the Stanley Cup Final for Christ's sake! What basis do we truly have to be sanctimonious anymore?

You can't take CP seriously as a representation of Flames fans.
We are a minority of hard core weirdos with a bunch of weird ideas.
Frankly the level of honest, educated hockey talk has gone way down here in the last decade, too. It's a bit sad.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You realize that getting 4 first overall picks in six years isn't something you can just "try" into, right?

That's why the Oilers are where they are.

Exactly. None of this was earned. They are where they are because they sucked harder and embarrassed themselves more than any other franchise in sports for well over a decade and fluked their way into multiple 1st round picks and a generational talent.

Edmonton is no good.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Yobbo

The doom and gloom continues on this forum. The Panthers didn't play near their best and almost went to double overtime in the Coilers arena. Not sure how so many figures this series is over. Wow...

Man, if I get to make that WoS, it's going to take me like a week to compile everything.

[kukkudo]

Not an easy money night but I’ll take it. Still think it splits heading to Florida

[3rd liner]

I can just watch the game on mute and not get too angry about it and appreciate a hard-fought game.
It's all the filler in between games that drives me insane- even avoiding social media as much as possible there is always somebody on the radio is yammering about oilers this, oilers that. Then you have the tools in my (Calgary) neighbourhood with their oilers flags on their garages- two houses on my block. How insecure are these oiler fans that they have to self-identify in a rival city? I'm imagining if I lived in p*sstown and put a flames flag up.... I'd probably come home to my pets dead and my house burning.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Great. The Oilers are at one extreme and the Flames are at the other. The Panthers, Lightning, Avs, etc are all way closer to one of those extremes and it isn't Calgary's. Nobody is saying they have to make 4 top picks but they can't keep going on like this, either.

Well this is the ongoing argument on this board. Some think that there has been a shift in philosophy and they over-performed beyond their own expectations this year.
Some think it's a continuation of what this organization has been for decades.

One side isn't going to convince the other they are right.

No one likes what this franchise has done in the last 2 decades, it's just a matter of if you think there is a different approach or not.

But the Oilers are not an example of anything resembling a plan on how to build a successful hockey team, unless you think there is another McDavid on the horizon (there isn't).

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Feels like this was the one they had to steal. Forsling and Tkachuk just waiting for surgery at this point. Hell of a fight though.

Is the word on the street that Tkachuk is injured? I know he hasn't done a lot in the last series. I know he was injured after the four nations.... is the thought that this is a nagging injury from that?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well this is the ongoing argument on this board. Some think that there has been a shift in philosophy and they over-performed beyond their own expectations this year.
Some think it's a continuation of what this organization has been for decades.

One side isn't going to convince the other they are right.

No one likes what this franchise has done in the last 2 decades, it's just a matter of if you think there is a different approach or not.

But the Oilers are not an example of anything resembling how to build a succesful hockey team, unless you think there is another McDavid on the horizon (there isn't).

Yeah. That's why I said there are two extremes. But you don't need to draft McDavid to win the Cup, as evidenced by the fact he's never done it before. But I think this organization has also been able to proceed largely unbothered by their lack of success because they haven't been challenged on it nearly as much as they should be. There's a model that seems to work and it's a lot closer to what Edmonton has done than what Calgary has, even though Edmonton undeniably fluked their way into it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Great. The Oilers are at one extreme and the Flames are at the other. The Panthers, Lightning, Avs, etc are all way closer to one of those extremes and it isn't Calgary's. Nobody is saying they have to make 4 top picks but they can't keep going on like this, either.

This isnt the thread but the Flames have made substaintial changes to how they operate in the last couple years. You arent paying attention if you think the Flames tried to make the playoffs at all costs this season...and isnt that your job.

Like someone said, read the room. Take that debate elsewhere.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Exactly. None of this was earned. They are where they are because they sucked harder and embarrassed themselves more than any other franchise in sports for well over a decade and fluked their way into multiple 1st round picks and a generational talent.

Edmonton is no good.

And if any of the 31 other teams (okay except for maybe the Kraken - weirdly badly managed team) got that same bundle of 1sts led by McDavid, they would've done a LOT more with it in the same span of time. We're talking multiple championships by this point.

If you told Ron and the "something special" pundits on TV in 2015 that it would take them 10 years to get to this point they'd be asking how the hell it took so long.

Incompetence, my friends. Incompetence.

For a guy like Scorp to bang on this drum of why the Flames can't channel the Oilers in how they do things... Dude, you don't WANT to channel the Oilers.

They may very well still squander McDavid and come out of this with 0 cups. That's a debacle level of incompetence.

It's akin to being given the answers to an exam and still managing to not be the top student in the class in spite of it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This isnt the thread but the Flames have made substaintial changes to how they operate in the last couple years. You arent paying attention if you think the Flames tried to make the playoffs at all costs this season...and isnt that your job.

Like someone said, read the room. Take that debate elsewhere.

Who said the Flames tried to make the playoffs at all costs? The team's inability to sell assets in a sellers market can still be seen as a fault.

As usual, the Flames have one foot in and one foot out, paralyzed by their own indecision.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by blender

You can't take CP seriously as a representation of Flames fans.
We are a minority of hard core weirdos with a bunch of weird ideas.
Frankly the level of honest, educated hockey talk has gone way down here in the last decade, too. It's a bit sad.

Saying a series is over after one OT game is FAR from level headed and thats what started this whole mess. Every 6 or 7 game series in history had the loser win 2 or 3.

[traptor]

You dont necessarily need a McDavid but you do need a
One or two draisatl, barkov, mack, makars, kucherov, hedman, Bergeron, Kanes, doughtys or crosbys.


Teams with the top players win. All these guys have been top 5 players in the league at their times.

The teams with these caliber of players win more often then not.

Being a blue collar, lunch pale team might get us in but it won't get us a cup.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This isnt the thread but the Flames have made substaintial changes to how they operate in the last couple years. You arent paying attention if you think the Flames tried to make the playoffs at all costs this season...and isnt that your job.

Like someone said, read the room. Take that debate elsewhere.

I'm not going to bother going any further with a circular argument like this but I would think that the thread dedicated to this team's biggest rival being ahead in the Stanley Cup Final is exactly the right one for discussion about how the Flames can achieve similar success. Better that than trying to blame the refs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Who said the Flames tried to make the playoffs at all costs? The team's inability to sell assets in a buyers market can still be seen as a fault.

As usual, the Flames have one foot in and one foot out.

Do I really have to quote it lol

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Do I really have to quote it lol

if it wasn't in the post you quoted, that really doesn't make a lot of sense.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm not going to bother going any further with a circular argument like this but I would think that the thread dedicated to this team's biggest rival being ahead in the Stanley Cup Final is exactly the right one for discussion about how the Flames can achieve similar success. Better that than trying to blame the refs.

This thread is about the cup finals...which are over according to you anyway. We have plenty of threads about the Flames and their future moves and past mistakes, like pretty much the rest of them.

[Rhett44]

Both the Panthers and Oilers tanked to get elite players. That's why they're likely both about to have a cup. That's the only way you can win.

Well, it also helped Florida that we gifted them Tkachuk and Bennett. And got Huberghost and a draft pick that turned into a rapist in return.