Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Human are animals, often worse than many animals. These men are awful but there is FAR worse out there and yes humans do awful things every second of every day.

Yeah I am on board with this sort of message, same with the one saying everyone should read the details.

This is reality. This #### happens, often. Be aware of it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Nah. But they deserve to be exposed, and at least McLeod deserves time. And rightfully their NA hockey careers are over forever.

True enough.

But I think of it in the context of a normal employer. I've got women who work for me, I can think of no conceivable way I'd ever even consider employing someone who has done something like this and trust them in the presence of my other employees.

Even if they 'Found Jesus' or something, and I mean his literal remains, I dont think that would be enough.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Dion

These hockey players are not human. No human would ever do what they did to that woman.

I agree with disqualifying some of these individuals as human, but this is also somewhat naive.

[Yeah_Baby]

Yeah, to deny them humanity lets them, and the society that made them, off the hook. We're all part of the problems in some way shape or form.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Nah. But they deserve to be exposed, and at least McLeod deserves time. And rightfully their NA hockey careers are over forever.

Got me wondering. If they are convicted and sentenced, are they even able to leave Canada after their sentences to go play in Russia?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I do hate that the bystander effect is a thing and seems to grow only more prominent with modern times. One or more of those guys on the periphery that weren't directly involved in the abuse should have spoken up.

The "bro code" applies in many situations, but that is not one of them.

Especially when you've grow up some more and realize how objectively terrible it was.

[MacDaddy77]

It must feel real disgusting to be a defence lawyer in cases like this.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

It must feel real disgusting to be a defence lawyer in cases like this.

My best friend is a criminal defense attorney. He only focuses on DUIs now, but his stance to get through his job was that everybody deserves a defense, regardless of their situation. He did move over to just defend DUIs, as he said dealing with some of the cases he had to defend, wasn't the most appealing thing to be doing long term. He doesn't like talking about his job at all to be honest, and is very good at compartmentalizing things.

Same with another couple good friends who are Crown Prosecutors here in Regina. They don't talk much about work (mainly because they can't), but also have told me they compartmentalize their job from their work.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by manwiches

My best friend is a criminal defense attorney. He only focuses on DUIs now, but his stance to get through his job was that everybody deserves a defense, regardless of their situation. He did move over to just defend DUIs, as he said dealing with some of the cases he had to defend, wasn't the most appealing thing to be doing long term. He doesn't like talking about his job at all to be honest, and is very good at compartmentalizing things.

Same with another couple good friends who are Crown Prosecutors here in Regina. They don't talk much about work (mainly because they can't), but also have told me they compartmentalize their job from their work.

It has to be rewarding though when you defend someone who is innocent.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It has to be rewarding though when you defend someone who is innocent.

I would think so too. He rarely talked about his work given confidentialty, but that was one thing he noted, was if he really believed they were innocent, he was that much more invested. But he told me dealing with scum of the earth people that would do horrible things, and having to represent them, made him question his humanity too often. Thus the move over to DUIs vs others.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Human are animals, often worse than many animals. These men are awful but there is FAR worse out there and yes humans do awful things every second of every day.

There was a good quote from someone far smarter than me who once said that Human's are the worst animals in the entire food chain or something.

We're certainly finding ways to prove that man right, time and time again.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Royle9

There was a good quote from someone far smarter than me who once said that Human's are the worst animals in the entire food chain or something.

We're certainly finding ways to prove that man right, time and time again.

I mean...the man in the sky who is supposed to love us unconditionally did try and kill us all. Several times in fact. Floods, locusts, plagues, he gave it a real good shot.

And then he kind of quit.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by manwiches

My best friend is a criminal defense attorney. He only focuses on DUIs now, but his stance to get through his job was that everybody deserves a defense, regardless of their situation. He did move over to just defend DUIs, as he said dealing with some of the cases he had to defend, wasn't the most appealing thing to be doing long term. He doesn't like talking about his job at all to be honest, and is very good at compartmentalizing things.

Same with another couple good friends who are Crown Prosecutors here in Regina. They don't talk much about work (mainly because they can't), but also have told me they compartmentalize their job from their work.

Yeah, I know a guy who is a criminal lawyer by day and acts and does improv in his free time to help compartmentalize.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The defense really going after her for cheating on her boyfriends. Classic way of trying to shift the guilt to the accuser. I get it - but it's disgusting.
Cheating one's partner may be wrong, but it's not illegal.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The defense really going after her for cheating on her boyfriends. Classic way of trying to shift the guilt to the accuser. I get it - but it's disgusting.
Cheating one's partner may be wrong, but it's not illegal.

lol sounds like a last ditch shot in the dark, almost as if they know they've got nothing to get these kids off the hook legally.
Its certainly not going to hold weight in a rape trial.

Shameful.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

lol sounds like a last ditch shot in the dark, almost as if they know they've got nothing to get these kids off the hook legally.
Its certainly not going to hold weight in a rape trial.

Shameful.

Yeah pretty disgusting. Suggesting that the reason why she was upset was not because of all the things that happened, but because she cheated on her boyfriend.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Royle9

lol sounds like a last ditch shot in the dark, almost as if they know they've got nothing to get these kids off the hook legally.
Its certainly not going to hold weight in a rape trial.

Shameful.

Look. I'm not a Lawyer and I hate it as much as the next person, but their Defense is going to throw everything and the kitchen sink at her.

Its why victims largely dont come forward. Because they know the go-to defense against them is to paint them as sub-human. Pure smear campaign.

Its going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

And the defence Lawyer is just doing their job. Its a #### job. But its their job.

[Ped]

Unfortunately victim blaming has long been a defense-tactic especially in sexual assault or rape cases, including bringing in sexual history and what they were wearing, and so on. And a lot of judges and juries, sadly, buy into it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ped

Unfortunately victim blaming has long been a defense-tactic especially in sexual assault or rape cases, including bringing in sexual history and what they were wearing, and so on. And a lot of judges and juries, sadly, buy into it.

Because, sadly, its effective.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The live updates are pretty grim. I would recommend not reading them.
Horrific actually.

I’d say given we are predominantly men on this site, we should read them, and really think about it. And if anyone has boys approaching that age, should sit them down and have them read this. Any male team or league should make this required reading and a frank discussion held. We can’t undo what happened but we need to recognize and prevent it from happening again.