Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

It is kinda crazy how all the non-stop corruption and scandals are just forgotten and swept under the rug now. Just off the top of my head, interfering in criminal charges to save SNC for bribes, pressuring the Attorney General, all the ethics violations, refusing to hand over documents to the Speaker and RCMP about foreign interference, WE Charity scandal, ArriveCan fraud, derailing parliamentary committee meeting on violence against women to fear monger on abortion, the Randy not that Randy it's the other Randy falsifying Indigenous heritage for money, etc.

Nevermind the actual policies of economic suicide, a self made housing crisis, self described uncontrolled immigration crisis, Provinces begging for the bail reform to fix the problems that the federal government caused, falling productivity and lack of investment, etc.

But Ooga Booga Trump and we're happy to just forget and potentially bend over to do it all again. Little wonder it'll keep happening I guess.

It keeps happening because the Conservatives continue to fail to recognize what Canadians actually want in a political party.



Since Mulroney, they've had one stretch of mediocrity, mostly because the Liberals kept tripping over themselves and the NDP had competent leadership, not because anyone was enamoured with the decisions and charisma of Harper. In short, figure it the #### out already, Cons. This has nothing to do with the Liberals.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

This might be hard to take for some people, but the Conservatives and Liberals are at about 50% aligned or mostly aligned on their policies. The difference in 'right' and 'left' in this country isn't as vast as some of you want to believe. I mean, part of why Carney's popularity soared was because he immediately did the things Pollievre was hammering Trudeau for. It was brilliant on his part. And it'll likely work. West will be blue. East will be red. Life will go on. So much stress and negativity over politics these days. It's mind bottling.

This is especially true at the federal level. Not only are the major parties pretty closely aligned on most things, but provincial governments have way more sway over the things that most affect Canadians (health care, education). A change in federal government has the least material impact on people than any of the jurisdictions they’re part of.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Muta

For a party and supporter group on the political right that desires to run the government more like a business... this is quite the comment.

Wouldn't it be something had Carney been a CPC leader instead? In different circumstances not completely unfathomable.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by chemgear

It is kinda crazy how all the non-stop corruption and scandals are just forgotten and swept under the rug now.

If corruption and scandals were really that big of a problem for right-wing Alberta voters, you wouldn't keep electing conservative governments at the provincial level.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Isn't that essentially the life of being a conservative at this point? This is pretty much the ethos of modern conservatism:

- No real, deep understanding of public policy, and/or Canadian civics.
- Stick to your own echo-chambers.
- Find outgroups to blame your personal failures and fears on.
- Personal anecdotes are more reliable than evidence, but only the personal anecdotes that support your already held views.
- Academics and experts are all bought and paid for, therefore unreliable.
- Regurgitate the slogans and talking points that dear leader and their media cronies put out.
- Under no circumstances do any self-reflection regarding why you keep voting for a party and movement that has consistently failed at the one thing you and they claim they're good at (economy/spending).
- No self-reflection on why you consistently find yourselves duped into parroting very obvious conspiracy theories.

What's crazy is how much of a broad sweeping statement you make about people who vote Conservative. Like, insanely broad-sweeping.

What are you hoping to accomplish with the above statements? Just make fun of people to make yourself feel better?

Maybe you could actually ask some questions to try and understand versus just needing to make yourself sound superior? The arrogance and ignorance combined is truly a unique mix.

- Under no circumstances do any self-reflection regarding why you keep voting for a party and movement that has consistently failed at the one thing you and they claim they're good at (economy/spending).

And this one blows my mind. Worst GDP / Capita in the last 10 years, yet you think someone who votes Conservative is wrong?

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It keeps happening because the Conservatives continue to fail to recognize what Canadians actually want in a political party.

And yet, just wait for the record high popular vote for CPC today despite not winning enough seats to form government.

[MonaTone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Honest questions though. If Carney lost his resume would easily get him a respectable job.

What will baby Trump do? Lots of our call centers are gone

Harper hires him at the IDU, after all he is already intimately familiar with the goals of that org.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I would interpret Super Majority as enough seats to outweigh a coalition?
So if the Conservatives won more seats than the Liberals and NDP combined.

That would be my guess as to what they're implying.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Wouldn't it be something had Carney been a CPC leader instead? In different circumstances not completely unfathomable.

And I would have voted for him and the CPC against Trudeau Liberals any day.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

- Tougher on crime; one my family members is RCMP and notes how many times he has to arrest the same person. I micro example of a much bigger problem viewed from a macro scale.

As can be seen by what Doug Ford is doing in Ontario, this is something that provinces can tackle.

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/04/2...doug-ford/amp/

A bit issue is a lack of judges and court rooms, causing large backlogs.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I would interpret Super Majority as enough seats to outweigh a coalition?
So if the Conservatives won more seats than the Liberals and NDP combined.

That would be my guess as to what they're implying.

That's just a majority.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

And yet, just wait for the record high popular vote for CPC today despite not winning enough seats to form government.

Is that what polls are showing or just your prediction?

If so, it still doesn't excuse the party for ignoring where things were heading. They know the electoral system, didn't have to ignore it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Plurality = Most seats, does not have to be a majority (indeed in Europe we see pluralities in the 30s all the time)
Majority = 50+1% of seats

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And I would have voted for him and the CPC against Trudeau Liberals any day.

Sure you would have .

I’m sure you wouldn’t have called him a capitalist banker who left Canada and only cares about profit , that he’s removing carbon tax to destroy the environment , and talking about cutting services to the lower class so the rich can have tax breaks .

You totally would have voted CPC. 100%

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by calculoso

As can be seen by what Doug Ford is doing in Ontario, this is something that provinces can tackle.

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2025/04/2...doug-ford/amp/

A bit issue is a lack of judges and court rooms, causing large backlogs.

Not that it excuses it, but inflation and higher levels of poverty breeds more crime with regards to theft/shoplifting. Drug addiction too. Get inflation under wraps (reasonable level) and more drug addicts into rehab, increase enforcement to keep fentanyl off the streets and then there should be less crime.

That seems almost utopian though, implementing any of that would be rather cumbersome.

Many of the family doctors are immigrants, I don't suppose we can encourage immigration to fill roles in our legal system?

It really is too bad that it seems we have a system that can't be fixed. So the cycle of crime will continue/get worse.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Sure you would have .

I’m sure you wouldn’t have called him a capitalist banker who left Canada and only cares about profit , that he’s removing carbon tax to destroy the environment , and talking about cutting services to the lower class so the rich can have tax breaks .

You totally would have voted CPC. 100%

Maybe Fuzz is like me, I don't know.

But i could actually see Carney fitting in with the old (and sadly dead) PC Party.

I would have voted for him if he was a PC.

The CPC is not the PC party.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GGG

Your complaint was he didn’t tell you anything good about PP. This is ironic because you have never said anything you like about Carney. You fall into the same not XXXX trap as your trucker friends.

The only debate I have is whether you intentionally ape right wing talking points and flip them and do this ironically or if you are just what ever the equivalent of a Maga on the left is.

Are you kidding? I've never said anything I liked about Carney? lol

-Steering us out of the 2008 financial crisis. Not Harper and Flaherty no matter how hard the the Cons yell out.

-Complete opposition of Brexit and forecasted that the UK would go into a recession if they left.

-Successful in running Brookfield. I like how the deplorables and Singh blame him for that. lol

-Like Nenshi he is Harvard educated. I think their standards are a bit higher than a U of C Arts degree in Intl relations. hahahahhaha


I mean i get why you guys are upset. Your dear leader blew a 26 point lead in a month! hahahahah that is pretty impressive.
and sure whatever that is, I am Maga Left! lol better than being an uneducated deplorable grunt in the Maple Maga.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by simmer2

What's crazy is how much of a broad sweeping statement you make about people who vote Conservative. Like, insanely broad-sweeping.

What are you hoping to accomplish with the above statements? Just make fun of people to make yourself feel better?

Maybe you could actually ask some questions to try and understand versus just needing to make yourself sound superior? The arrogance and ignorance combined is truly a unique mix.



And this one blows my mind. Worst GDP / Capita in the last 10 years, yet you think someone who votes Conservative is wrong?

People keep asking questions and getting answers that range from repeating slogans at best or “but Trudeau” at worst, and you’re confused as to why that perception of these people exist?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

But the issue is that it's not just the one guy that matters, it's the party that makes the bills and votes them through. If you support the LPC platform and their campaign promises and their track record over the last 3 terms, great.

I can understand why some do not like PP, that's their opinion. But Carney's CV is great for an executive job, not necessarily running a country. Time will tell though. He may flop worse than Trudeau and set up a Conservative Super Majority in the next go (CPC may have new leader by then too, who knows).

Tell me you have no clue how our system works without telling me you have no idea how our system works. A PM with a majority has incredible power (whether this is good or not is a debate for another time). Nobody does anything without his blessing. And I thank the god I don't believe in that he is intelligent, world-wise and compassionate enough to do what is right for the country in this role. What the #### do you think running a country is? Some countries even call similar roles the EXECUTIVE branch!! JFC!!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

And this one blows my mind. Worst GDP / Capita in the last 10 years, yet you think someone who votes Conservative is wrong?

Can you remind me which party took a $13.8B surplus and turned it into a $25.9B deficit?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the Liberals.