It's not that simplistic. There were organizations (including mine) who mandated people get two vaccination shots to remain employed. Not being able to travel is one thing, but not being employed is a different situation.
This was the policy announcement:
No, it is that simplistic and Jiri is still right.
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You do know you weren't forced to do anything right?
You could have chosen not to take the vaccine, and that decision, like any decisions, had consequences such as not being able to travel. But no one tied you down and injected you.
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It's not that simplistic. There were organizations (including mine) who mandated people get two vaccination shots to remain employed. Not being able to travel is one thing, but not being employed is a different situation.
This was the policy announcement:
Ahhh, no they didn't.
It looks to me like there are reasonable accommodations in that announcement. Namely that employees have the option to provide negative covid tests (granted, a pain in the butt, especially if they have to do it every 3 days, but a reasonable accommodation), or if they are unable to be vaccindated, they needed to provide a legitimate reason why.
This is what's annoying about the "I was forced" narrative people still trot out. No, in the vast majority of cases, no one was forced. People were given a choice to get vaccinated, go through the hassle of a test (while refusing to be vaccinated), or provide a reasonable reason why those weren't possible.
There is also a difference between being fired, and being placed on unpaid leave.
None of that equates to being forced.
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It's not that simplistic. There were organizations (including mine) who mandated people get two vaccination shots to remain employed. Not being able to travel is one thing, but not being employed is a different situation.
This was the policy announcement:
Find a different job?
Companies have the right to cover their own ass in a pandemic situation. If you're beliefs are so strong and you don't want the vaccine in the event you'll become magnetic or grow scales, I'm sure there were 4th and 5th rate diners that had owners grasping to their 15 minutes that needed dishwashers.
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Prior "analyst" roles were mainly looking at green energy projects.
Like I said - he doesn't have oil n gas experience if we are talking about increasing commodity trade amongst provinces.
Majority of these policies (liberals, conservatives, etc) are useless.
I looked up his conservative opponent, Shuv Majumdar, his qualifications seem to include going to U of C with PP, helping organize the Kamikaze campaign to get Kenney elected, working in Frazier institute think tanks for Manning and many other various political jobs-
I can't believe we're still debating this s***. Just looking at the resumes of both leaders, this should be the easiest choice in Canadian history. On one hand you have one of the most intelligent and qualified candidates in decades. And the other guy is PP, who is the polar opposite of that.
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I can't believe we're still debating this s***. Just looking at the resumes of both leaders, this should be the easiest choice in Canadian history. On one hand you have one of the most intelligent and qualified candidates in decades. And the other guy is PP, who is the polar opposite of that.
But the issue is that it's not just the one guy that matters, it's the party that makes the bills and votes them through. If you support the LPC platform and their campaign promises and their track record over the last 3 terms, great.
I can understand why some do not like PP, that's their opinion. But Carney's CV is great for an executive job, not necessarily running a country. Time will tell though. He may flop worse than Trudeau and set up a Conservative Super Majority in the next go (CPC may have new leader by then too, who knows).
If or when Carney is elected, I will be looking for:
1. The cessation or slow impeded development of our oil and gas
2. Slow growth with increased spending accompanied by rising interest rates
3. Companies moving out of Canada
4. Possible collapse of house prices
5. Potential conflicts of interest e.g. Brookfield
6. Probable increased areas of taxation e.g. capital gains
Just the way I see it. There's no way one man can turn that party around.
I'm going to be looking for:
1. Sensible transition to a more renewable power system. Not abandoning O&G completely but striking a balance to become a renewable leader by using our energy expertise and funding. Climate change still needs to be a top priority, even if it wasn't a top issue in the election cycle.
2. Stronger growth, pushed by government intervention in the economy as it faces the external threat of the loss of our largest trade partner. How he balances that increased funding with keeping debt/GDP ratio from rising.
3. How companies respond is absolutely going to be something to keep an eye on.
4. Fall in housing prices as increased supply starts to increase affordability - without actually collapsing the market.
5. Yes, how his government deals directly with Brookfield specifically should be watched.
6. Increased taxation as a means to continue forward. The race to the bottom of taxation hurts Canadians who need help the most.
7. How he uses government powers to curb affordability issues. These issues are a problem with the market, not government, so I would like to see how he can help alleviate these without going to either extreme of the CPC letting companies run wild or the NDP putting pricing caps.
8. How he deals with Federation, sovereignty and Trump.
As I see it, some of the issues faced by Canadians today are caused by the Liberals, but the majority are external issues. Either world wide, or Capitalism issues faced by most western countries the same. How can a leader who is supposed to be an expert on finance, work to solve these issues and guide Canada forward.
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But the issue is that it's not just the one guy that matters, it's the party that makes the bills and votes them through. If you support the LPC platform and their campaign promises and their track record over the last 3 terms, great.
I can understand why some do not like PP, that's their opinion. But Carney's CV is great for an executive job, not necessarily running a country. Time will tell though. He may flop worse than Trudeau and set up a Conservative Super Majority in the next go (CPC may have new leader by then too, who knows).
Not only do they need a new leader they need a new message. Pandering to far right nut jobs will only get you Alberta.
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Seems like a prevailing Liberal sentiment in this thread which surprises me with most of us I assume in Alberta. I am a lifelong conservative voter, but voted for Liberal for the first time in my life today. Carney does seem extremely qualified and I think for the first time we have a liberal leader who can captures more of the economic conservative, slightly right leaning individuals like myself. I am definitely fiscally conservative, but I do appreciate that social programs have their purpose and benefit, and Carney seems like a great candidate to capture those more centred viewpoints like myself. Before Trudeau resigned, that wouldn't have been possible.
I voted for the first time in Turner Valley since we moved there last year. Based on the amount of cowboy boots and plaid shirts in the voting line, I do think my vote likely won't mean much... haha. Maybe I'm stereotyping too hard. It will be interesting to see how the vote split goes, especially in Alberta IMO.
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But the issue is that it's not just the one guy that matters, it's the party that makes the bills and votes them through. If you support the LPC platform and their campaign promises and their track record over the last 3 terms, great.
I can understand why some do not like PP, that's their opinion. But Carney's CV is great for an executive job, not necessarily running a country. Time will tell though. He may flop worse than Trudeau and set up a Conservative Super Majority in the next go (CPC may have new leader by then too, who knows).
You have referred to a super majority a few times, but I have no idea the meaning of that in our system. You either have a majority government or a minority.
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I can't believe we're still debating this s***. Just looking at the resumes of both leaders, this should be the easiest choice in Canadian history. On one hand you have one of the most intelligent and qualified candidates in decades. And the other guy is PP, who is the polar opposite of that.
Not sure if you have hired people in your role (that's not a jab, just a question), but I've found it easy to get fooled by resumes. I've had people whose resumes are OK and turned out great, and had people whose resumes are great and have turned out just OK.
I like Carney a lot more than Trudeau. He's obviously bright and has a pedigree. But a bright person can still make bad decisions...and I worry that his Climate Change stance will end up leading to a continual series of bad decisions that the Liberals started when they moved forward with the Carbon Tax and caused a huge increase in our debt loads and were a huge part of lowest GDP per Capita relative to our peers.
I see more debt load, bad energy policies (ie pushing green over Oil & Gas), an increase in government spending and taxes, and in general an underperforming economy for another 5 years.
I hope that doesn't happen and Carney can prove me wrong. But it's been 10 years...hard to get excited about thinking that Carney will maybe be different.
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I'm predicting a Conservative Minority government... Both 338 Canada and CBC are projecting a Liberal majority with 65% and 70% probability respectively, but I don't trust the polls... Not after 2016 in the US. If partisan fanaticism on social media equates to turnout, the CPC base is highly energized. I just have a bad feeling...
If this current iteration of the Tories are not who you want to form government, I implore you to go out and vote if haven't already. Please. Calgary Centre, Confederation, Skyview, and possibly Crowfoot and Nose Hill are all in play. Calgary McKnight is considered a "likely" LPC seat according to 338, but please vote anyway if this is your riding. Nothing should be left to chance.
And again, please thank the election workers on the way out. To help brighten their long day if nothing else.
But the issue is that it's not just the one guy that matters, it's the party that makes the bills and votes them through. If you support the LPC platform and their campaign promises and their track record over the last 3 terms, great.
Ah yes, because if there's one thing we know about PP, it's that he's all about his team and not just him.
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Seems like a prevailing Liberal sentiment in this thread which surprises me with most of us I assume in Alberta. I am a lifelong conservative voter, but voted for Liberal for the first time in my life today. Carney does seem extremely qualified and I think for the first time we have a liberal leader who can captures more of the economic conservative, slightly right leaning individuals like myself. I am definitely fiscally conservative, but I do appreciate that social programs have their purpose and benefit, and Carney seems like a great candidate to capture those more centred viewpoints like myself. Before Trudeau resigned, that wouldn't have been possible.
I voted for the first time in Turner Valley since we moved there last year. Based on the amount of cowboy boots and plaid shirts in the voting line, I do think my vote likely won't mean much... haha. Maybe I'm stereotyping too hard. It will be interesting to see how the vote split goes, especially in Alberta IMO.
Yeah - even if they get 4 in Edmonton and Calgary, that's doubling the previous Liberal record in Alberta, which is pretty wild. Nice to have a candidate in my riding (Confed) that is smart and a vote that actually matters. Neighbours, let's not send Jeremy ####ing Nixon to Ottawa plz.
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I'm predicting a Conservative Minority government... Both 338 Canada and CBC are projecting a Liberal majority with 65% and 70% probability respectively, but I don't trust the polls... Not after 2016 in the US. If partisan fanaticism on social media equates to turnout, the CPC base is highly energized. I just have a bad feeling...
If this current iteration of the Tories are not who you want to form government, I implore you to go out and vote if haven't already. Please. Calgary Centre, Confederation, Skyview, and possibly Crowfoot and Nose Hill are all in play. Calgary McKnight is considered a "likely" LPC seat according to 338, but please vote anyway if this is your riding. Nothing should be left to chance.
And again, please thank the election workers on the way out. To help brighten their long day if nothing else.
I'm in Calgary Crowfoot and on a micro level I'm surprised at the change.
Our "granola lefty" neighbour has a LPC sign instead of their normal NDP/Green signs. Then we have a new neighbour from Ontario with an LPC sign, and two houses across the street that have historically not had signs with LPC signs. And no CPC signs at all, on a street where you'd have previously thought grass was blue during elections...
I'm predicting a Conservative Minority government... Both 338 Canada and CBC are projecting a Liberal majority with 65% and 70% probability respectively, but I don't trust the polls... Not after 2016 in the US. If partisan fanaticism on social media equates to turnout, the CPC base is highly energized. I just have a bad feeling...
If this current iteration of the Tories are not who you want to form government, I implore you to go out and vote if haven't already. Please. Calgary Centre, Confederation, Skyview, and possibly Crowfoot and Nose Hill are all in play. Calgary McKnight is considered a "likely" LPC seat according to 338, but please vote anyway if this is your riding. Nothing should be left to chance.
And again, please thank the election workers on the way out. To help brighten their long day if nothing else.
It was never this slanted in the Democrats favour. It was still close to call, and the election was close as well regardless of what Trump says.
I'm predicting a Conservative Minority government... Both 338 Canada and CBC are projecting a Liberal majority with 65% and 70% probability respectively, but I don't trust the polls... Not after 2016 in the US. If partisan fanaticism on social media equates to turnout, the CPC base is highly energized. I just have a bad feeling....
You don’t think left-leaning and centre voters are energized? People are looking at what’s happening in the U.S. and are scared that it could happen here, and the polls are showing as much. Just based on talking with my family, friends, and co-workers, I don’t know a single person who is voting conservative. Hell, even my parents who have voted blue their entire lives are voting liberal.
You have referred to a super majority a few times, but I have no idea the meaning of that in our system. You either have a majority government or a minority.
It's sort of like how WWE, where everyone is a superstar. The Liberals are TNA, so can only have a majority, not a supermajority.
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