Stabbing mayhem in Calgary

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Some more good work yesterday.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...33134-sun.html

i don't see how you can blame the cops in this situation.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Until this garbage ends and these resources are used to actually deal with the actual issues in which a city needs a police force for I refuse to give any money to Police charity events, etc.

What is this garbage that needs to end? Enforcing the law? Regardless of whether or not you think the law is valid, it's still in place and the police have the duty to uphold it. What actual issues aren't being dealt with? You want controversy, check out the RCMP. It blows my mind that people can by so anti-police until the police are the first ones running into these life and death situations, risking their lives for people they'll never know.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by jar_e

What is this garbage that needs to end? Enforcing the law? Regardless of whether or not you think the law is valid, it's still in place and the police have the duty to uphold it. What actual issues aren't being dealt with? You want controversy, check out the RCMP. It blows my mind that people can by so anti-police until the police are the first ones running into these life and death situations, risking their lives for people they'll never know.

Yes, but when they're not running into 'life and death' situations, there exists a strong tendency for the department to use up their human resource base in capacities that really should be last priority in the big scheme of things.

How about instead of orgasmically waiting to ding jaywalkers with copius amounts of tickets, we use that officer to patrol a rough neighbourhood, follow up on leads given at their morning briefing, give a lecture to elementary schoolchildren, check-in with suspected activity from known lawbreakers, etc.

There's many more important issues that police officers could be dealing with than being hellbent on issuing tickets for minor, irrelevant infractions and meeting quotas all the time.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yes, but when they're not running into 'life and death' situations, there exists a strong tendency for the department to use up their human resource base in capacities that really should be last priority in the big scheme of things.

How about instead of orgasmically waiting to ding jaywalkers with copius amounts of tickets, we use that officer to patrol a rough neighbourhood, follow up on leads given at their morning briefing, give a lecture to elementary schoolchildren, check-in with suspected activity from known lawbreakers, etc.

There's many more important issues that police officers could be dealing with than being hellbent on issuing tickets for minor, irrelevant infractions and meeting quotas all the time.

Well, until the vaults are opened wide and the police are given the money required to keep the police force operating and expanding to keep up with the city, your going to see revenue generating activities like this.

The law is the law no matter who big or how small the infraction, and unless your willing to pay for a constable force to deal with minor crimes, they're going to have to be enforced by the police.

Besides, its unlikely that you have police officers from the gang divisions, major crimes divisions and homicide sitting on the street corners handing out jaywalking or speeding tickets.

The minor crimes areas like this are also great on the job training for new or inexperienced cops.

On a personal note, if you get a ticket for going over the speed limit, or for jaywalking you deserve the fine, since you know that the police are looking for it.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well, until the vaults are opened wide and the police are given the money required to keep the police force operating and expanding to keep up with the city, your going to see revenue generating activities like this.

The law is the law no matter who big or how small the infraction, and unless your willing to pay for a constable force to deal with minor crimes, they're going to have to be enforced by the police.

True.

Maybe we could re-direct some of the money we use to build major overpasses / expansion of roads way out in the boonies to increase the police budget?

The only catch is that people would have to live in the inner-city instead of enormous houses on the outskirts of the city and paying large amounts of money to own a vehicle / pay for gas. But that would never happen, since people like their abundancy of physical space and would require a philosophical change in lifestyle. I jus' dunno how those New Yorkers do it, gosh darnit.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Besides, its unlikely that you have police officers from the gang divisions, major crimes divisions and homicide sitting on the street corners handing out jaywalking or speeding tickets.

The minor crimes areas like this are also great on the job training for new or inexperienced cops.

On a personal note, if you get a ticket for going over the speed limit, or for jaywalking you deserve the fine, since you know that the police are looking for it.

Well let's be honest here... it's unlikely there's officers from 'the gang divisions, major crimes divisions and homicide' sitting on the street corners 'handing out jaywalking or speeding tickets'... mainly because there isn't even enough of these officers to begin with. There's too many traffic /minor crimes cops that have already taken up THAT responsibility. But again, it's all about quotas, so it's just a question of priorities.

Yes, minor crimes are a great area for new / inexperienced cops. But tickets / miniscule infractions theoretically shouldn't be the mantlepiece of a new officer's training in any way, shape or form. They should be trained to deal with people and certain situations, so that they may perform the underlying purpose of their job better. Issuing tickets is such a minor part of that, but it's focused on too much.

And yes, if you jaywalk, you do break the law. No bones about it. But it's such an insignificant action compared to deeper societal issues that could be paid attention to, such as gang activity, domestic violence, etc. Again, there's too much focus on the last priorities than what should be the first ones.

When I was in Athens, people would rip up tickets infront of police officers when being dinged for speeding, and then drive away... as a sign that it's such a waste of time for all parties involved. If you did that here, you'd have comitted a national offense and your city's police budget would be in jepoardy!

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

i don't see how you can blame the cops in this situation.

Cops patrol a specific area right? Each area should be well known to said cops including the important people in that community. Someone as important to the community as a pastor who wears a freaking mask seems like they should be pretty recognizable. Did they really think that someone robbed a Macdonald's and drove away leaving the mask still on after they made a clean getaway?

Are they to busy with their noses in the citation book to have a real feel for the neighborhood and the people they are supposed to be protecting? I have a feeling the CPS is losing touch with the community.

I can't tell you the number of drug deals I've seen at the 8th st platform go down right under the nose of the two dumb cops that stand blabbing to each other.

[ken0042]

For all of you people who are pro-jaywalkers, let me ask you this: Is it unheard of for a pedestrian to be killed in Calgary? Granted many of those fatalities are the fault of drivers. But walking home today I saw at least two people jaywalking that caused a car to have to react; ie slam on their brakes.

If there was no risk of getting a ticket, then people would jaywalk all the time, and people would die. Oh no. Not you and me, but other people. (of course)

Don't get me wrong, I jaywalk a bit. But I've also never received a ticket for it either; because I don't jaywalk in front of police officers. And to me the bottom line is that if you did not notice the police officer there, then you were not paying close enough attention to your surroundings to say that you were jaywalking safely.

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'm in a gang.

Ah memories... the guy that threatened me with, "I'm in a gang", in Fall 2005. What was his username again? Anyone remember?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by JimmytheT

Ah memories... the guy that threatened me with, "I'm in a gang", in Fall 2005. What was his username again? Anyone remember?

Sundeep and his gang of Oiler messageboard tuffs?

[Barnes]

I am not condoning jaywalking. That's not the point of my original post.

In my case, I was on a road that, at the time had more tumble weeds than cars and no cross walks. The area is poorly designed and forces people to jaywalk to get anywhere they need to go. It's an LRT right of way so it's wide. The cop was not there when i started to cross but I did stop at the westbound lane when i saw the car even though his headlights were out. They made me walk to the uncontroled intersection through the mud.

Next time I'll drive back from the pub I guess.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by ken0042

For all of you people who are pro-jaywalkers, let me ask you this: Is it unheard of for a pedestrian to be killed in Calgary? Granted many of those fatalities are the fault of drivers. But walking home today I saw at least two people jaywalking that caused a car to have to react; ie slam on their brakes.

If there was no risk of getting a ticket, then people would jaywalk all the time, and people would die. Oh no. Not you and me, but other people. (of course)

Don't get me wrong, I jaywalk a bit. But I've also never received a ticket for it either; because I don't jaywalk in front of police officers. And to me the bottom line is that if you did not notice the police officer there, then you were not paying close enough attention to your surroundings to say that you were jaywalking safely.

Well in super crowded countries like Hong Kong, you have to jay walk or you would never be able to cross the street in time because of the number of people on the streets.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by ken0042

For all of you people who are pro-jaywalkers, let me ask you this: Is it unheard of for a pedestrian to be killed in Calgary? Granted many of those fatalities are the fault of drivers. But walking home today I saw at least two people jaywalking that caused a car to have to react; ie slam on their brakes.

If there was no risk of getting a ticket, then people would jaywalk all the time, and people would die. Oh no. Not you and me, but other people. (of course)

Don't get me wrong, I jaywalk a bit. But I've also never received a ticket for it either; because I don't jaywalk in front of police officers. And to me the bottom line is that if you did not notice the police officer there, then you were not paying close enough attention to your surroundings to say that you were jaywalking safely.

I watched a mother and father jaywaylk across 7th Ave at lunch time this morning whilst holding the hands of their two young children... right in front of the damn C-train pulling out from the station in front of the Crack Mac's. It was stupid and you could totally see what was coming. Luckily no one was injured but that would have been an ideal time to issue some jaywalking tickets right there.

[Engine09]

You know what's awesome?

Watching someone jaywalk while pushing a kid in a stroller. Seen that a few times, beyond stupid and irresponsible.

[pepper24]

I hope these idiots get caught soon.

[urban1]

I hope these guys werent out of towners from Van or the states cuz that might make it harder to catch them.

I also hope they are 20 to 30 and and not 15 or 16 so they can get some serious jail time.

Originally Posted by pepper24

I hope these idiots get caught soon.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Cops patrol a specific area right? Each area should be well known to said cops including the important people in that community. Someone as important to the community as a pastor who wears a freaking mask seems like they should be pretty recognizable. Did they really think that someone robbed a Macdonald's and drove away leaving the mask still on after they made a clean getaway?

Are they to busy with their noses in the citation book to have a real feel for the neighborhood and the people they are supposed to be protecting? I have a feeling the CPS is losing touch with the community.

I can't tell you the number of drug deals I've seen at the 8th st platform go down right under the nose of the two dumb cops that stand blabbing to each other.

What you're describing is community policing. A concept completely foreign to CPS. Where I work on 14th ave between 2nd and 4th SWthere is currently quite a lot of dealing and prostitution happening (although I am sure that will be forced out with time with all the condo development going on, but right now it is a giant construction zone with not that many people around) and I have seen cops in the area probably twice in two summers. The dealers and I are starting to become familiar it seems as we walk by eachother everyday.

[simmer2]

Were these stabbings isolated to a certain area of the city?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by josh white

What you're describing is community policing. A concept completely foreign to CPS. Where I work on 14th ave between 2nd and 4th SWthere is currently quite a lot of dealing and prostitution happening (although I am sure that will be forced out with time with all the condo development going on, but right now it is a giant construction zone with not that many people around) and I have seen cops in the area probably twice in two summers. The dealers and I are starting to become familiar it seems as we walk by eachother everyday.

I really respect your opinion's Josh and am glad to hear I am not out to lunch.

Keep doin what you're doin. Calgary is better for it.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Were these stabbings isolated to a certain area of the city?

At 4:10 a.m., this morning police responded to the area of 17
Avenue and 11 Street S.W., for reports of a stabbing. A
female victim was transported to hospital where she later
succumbed to her injuries. This is Calgary’s 15th homicide of
2007.

At 4:19 a.m., police responded to the area of 15 Avenue and 2
Street S.W., for reports of a stabbing. A 21-year-old male
victim was located a short distance away from the scene. He
had suffered a non life-threatening stab wound.

At 4:32 a.m., police responded to the area of 16 Avenue and 2
Street N.E., where they found a 42-year-old male suffering
from a non life-threatening stab wound.

At 4:41 a.m., police responded to the 4400 block of Centre
Street North where they found a 43-year-old male suffering
from a non life-threatening stab wound.

At 5:16 a.m., police responded to the area of 44 Street and
21 Avenue S.E., where they found a 23-year-old female
suffering from numerous non life-threatening stab and slash
wounds.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Barnes

I really respect your opinion's Josh and am glad to hear I am not out to lunch.

Keep doin what you're doin. Calgary is better for it.

Thanks! I appreciate it!