Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I find it absolutely hilarious that you're still going on about "Drama teacher" when in the end, Trudeau completed more schooling to become that teacher than Poilievre has in his ENTIRE career.

Like ####. So dense hahaha.

Like I said earlier, we now have a doctorate-level economist going up against a career political attack dog with zero experience actually doing anything of substance, and suddenly actual qualifications and real-world experience aren’t the appeal they once were.

The “drama teacher” critique was never a serious criticism, and it isn’t now. It’s a whine from the uneducated.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by StickMan

There is no maga in Canada, this makes you stupid. Quit trying to use American politics to create anger towards Canadians, very lame.

Yes there is, and the leader is Creepy PP! Felon47’s Mini-Me…

https://youtu.be/WPzLs31fE_8?si=kRJrJODGKZX_M9YL

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Stickman is a great example of how rage farming, misinformation, and political victimhood can lead a voter to support the most empty of suits for reasons even they can't explain.

You guys just trash anyone who isn't liberal or NDP supporters, this is why CP has devolved into what it is, which is too bad. I only really come here to see what the left-wing crazies are saying about the political topic of the day. Pierre poilievre bad, Carney good, you guys don't disappoint.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I'm guessing you've never watched the news in Canada.

Do you believe that government should give money to media? What about over a billion dollars to media? This is ok to you? You don't believe it has any influence?

Yes, I believe there is room for government funding of news media.
Do I believe it has influence?
I mean, when one party is actively attacking media that they deem unfriendly, yeah, it probably does.

The fact that one party attacks media on the basis of science denial, and not liking facts, is actually a pretty strong argument for government funding for media.
Governments should want a robust and diverse media sphere, the fact that only one of the parties is threatening that, is concerning.

[TorqueDog]

Is StickMan a welder?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You guys just trash anyone who isn't liberal or NDP supporters, this is why CP has devolved into what it is, which is too bad. I only really come here to see what the left-wing crazies are saying about the political topic of the day.

Don't forget:
1) Post easily verifiably false information
2) Post opinion pieces as fact
3) Ignore any request by anyone to back up the things I have said

No wonder you think PP is honest with the media. You and him have the same style.

Just say something you want people to believe, and when challenged on it, call us all biased and ignore our questions.

I totally get it now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

OK but PP is going to cancel the cancelled carbon tax! That’s double cancelled! That’s better!

It will be on double secret probation.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Stickman is a great example of how rage farming, misinformation, and political victimhood can lead a voter to support the most empty of suits for reasons even they can't explain.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Don't forget:
1) Post easily verifiably false information
2) Post opinion pieces as fact
3) Ignore any request by anyone to back up the things I have said

No wonder you think PP is honest with the media. You and him have the same style.

Just say something you want people to believe, and when challenged on it, call us all biased and ignore our questions.

I totally get it now.

What info was false? Opinion pieces are sometimes good to read, why not just read it and experience a different point of view? Maybe say "interesting thought, but I disagree for this reason...". You realize that this post from you is a false unverifiable opinion piece?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Except for maybe the guy with massive conflicts of interest from his years working outside of politics? I think a career politician is an excellent person to do a political type job, such as being a prime minister. We all saw how well the drama teacher turned out.

No he doesn't have the requirements to do the job. He is a moron with no plan.

Axe the tax, bring the jobs home, mom was 16 got pregnant and gave him away and got pregnant again and gave his brother away.

That has been his campaign.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No he doesn't have the requirements to do the job. He is a moron with no plan.

Axe the tax, bring the jobs home, mom was 16 got pregnant and gave him away and got pregnant again and gave his brother away.

That has been his campaign.

I agree it is now a bit repetitive, but there is nothing sinister about it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What info was false? Opinion pieces are sometimes good to read, why not just read it and experience a different point of view? Maybe say "interesting thought, but I disagree for this reason..."

Originally Posted by StickMan

With the history of the mainstream media being hostile to the CPC and Pierre, I could see the way he is handling their questions as being completely reasonable. Same goes for Carney, the mainstreamed media has been nothing but a Liberal propaganda machine for the last decade and probably longer, and they currently all receive liberal government funding. With this kind of government media sponsorship your can't be surprised by the way the different parties respond.

Sure, the "mainstream media" is not hostile to PP. So that's misinformation, based on political victimhood, and I assume you picked this up from some trash source that was rage farming. So ya, you nailed 3 things I mentioned in one post.


Anyway, enough of my self suffering here, because I need to go to Costco to suffer there.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Canada's Liberal cabinet just secretly authorized spending $40.3 billion of our taxpayer wealth on their programs — in the middle of an election.

How? Executive decree known as an "order in council."

Media coverage: Zero.

"$40.3 BILLION DOLLARS - Order in Council - Governor General Signs off during Prorogue Parliament & Election
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
$178,154,676
Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
6,709,190,359
Department of Indigenous Services
6,257,916,341
Department for Women and Gender Equality
92,288,381
Department of Employment and Social Development
1,712,060,872
Privy Council Office
113,927,125
Treasury Board Secretariat
1,100,200,396
Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
25,346,200
Immigration and Refugee Board
38,619,423
Department of National Defence
4,511,034,415
....."


https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/...=47207&lang=en

Originally Posted by StickMan

What info was false? Opinion pieces are sometimes good to read, why not just read it and experience a different point of view? Maybe say "interesting thought, but I disagree for this reason..."

I mean you still haven't addressed how posting this was a bunch of BS?

You said they did it secretly? Not true
You characterized it as "Their programs": Not true, it was pretty much every government program.
You characterized it like it was some nefarious scheme, and when multiple people posted that it is pretty normal, and required to keep the government functioning, you ignored it.

You're intentionally acting in bad faith, which as I said, kind of makes me understand why you like PP.

And in the end, isn't that what you're asking for? For us to understand your point of view?
I do. You're motivation is grievance, and sticking it to the Libs.
Nothing more nuanced, or important. You're just childish.


And yeah, opinion pieces are good to read. What isn't cool is when someone intentionally presents them as fact and then ignores anyone who calls them out on it.
Perspective is cool. Misinformation is not.

[FlameFan21]

Just returned from early voting where I cast my vote for Winnipeg North Liberal incumbent Kevin Lamoureux. A few months ago, I was going to vote for him anyway out of personal loyalty to him and to ensure there was strong opposition against Poilievre (even though the CPC was, at that point, projected to win the largest majority in Canadian history). As a lifelong, self-professed political moderate, I voted based on which leader best reflected my political beliefs and who would be best to lead Canada during these times of political and economic uncertainty. In my opinion, that leader is Mark Carney.

I won't name names, but it's obvious who I am referring to, there is an uncomfortable lack of empathy from some Liberal supporters on this forum. The reputation of the LPC has, in my opinion, been sewered by Justin Trudeau and it's easy to undertand why a good number of honest Canadians gravitate towards Pierre Poilievre on issues like taxes and the cost of living even though they may not agree with him on his more extreme ideas. Carney will have to work hard to gain the trust of these people.

The behavior has also become annoyingly cocky. I believe this election will be closer than the current polls suggest and a lot of people here are putting the cart before the horse. We all know how 2016 turned out down South... A Conservative government is a distinct possibility. There are also some posters who have implied they may not vote due to living in CPC strongholds. Vote anyway. I think one of the worst things that could happen is the Liberals winning another minority government while failing to win a plurality of the popular vote. It will just further divide the country. Go out and vote.

If a Conservative government led by Poilievre is elected, I will give him a chance to prove his critics wrong. If a government under Carney is elected and it is more of the same, I will gladly eat my words.

Lastly (and I think this was mentioned here already), if you vote today or on election day, regardless of who you vote for, thank the election workers. There has been high voter turnout so far.

That's about all I wanted to say. I just want this campaign to end. I have witnessed it firsthand get far too personal. In the end, all of us here love our country. We just differing views on how to improve it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I agree it is now a bit repetitive, but there is nothing sinister about it.

There's nothing sinister about cooperating with propaganda outlets such as Rebel News trying to turn the country into an un-serious clownshow akin to the circus down south?

There's nothing sinister about wanting to use the notwithstanding clause?

There's nothing sinister about claiming that "crime" is the biggest threat to national security when research shows this is one of the safest countries in the world at one of the safest times in its history?

There's nothing sinister about allowing foreign interference in his party and refusing security clearance that would force to legally not be able to feign ignorance on said foreign interference? Not to mention that foreign interference was from an (at the time) fellow IDU member, who curiously disappeared off of IDU's official affiliations in lock step with the surfacing of CSIS reports of their actions, and that foreign interfering entity having carried out a literal assassination on Canadian soil?

There's nothing sinister about blaming liberal policies on failed O&G projects that were cancelled before those policies were ever even conceptualized due to global economic factors?

There's nothing sinister about one of his MPs being a conspiracy theorist who is literal best friends with JD Vance?

There's nothing sinister about claiming a country with one of the highest standards of living on the ENTIRE PLANET is "broken"?

There's nothing sinister about fact-checking reports that show he told the most lies at the debates by a significant margin?

There's nothing sinister about his entire voting history as a member of parliament?

[Huntingwhale]

Well, my post was meant in good nature. I truly was looking for some real talking points as to what the CPC could deliver to me as a centrist voter who was on the fence. Stickman has done a great job of proving to me why I should vote for Carney, so I did as such.

Just kidding Stickman, you're posts did nothing to dissuade me/convince me who to vote for, but your ramblings are typical of what I despise about American politics; instead of clearly stating policies and justifications as to why a CPC win would suit the country better than the Libs winning, it's been non-stop attacking of the candidates personally, the people voting for them, and a few PP-bad posts tossed in. Sadly, that kind of ramblings worked in the US recently, but I'd like to think the voting population is overall much smarter and logical here.
Absolutely nothing wrong with looking at candidates at all points on the spectrum and making your decision that way. I've never associated my personality with any political party, never will, and have flip flopped my entire life between all parties at various levels. Right now the CPC party is just too off-putting for my tastes. Maybe with a new leader and a deep look inside as to what Canadians truly wants, that can change in the future. Happy to be proven wrong if Carney ####s the bed and we play this game again next election.

Glad to see the voting station was well organized and it took all of 3 minutes to walk in and walk out. Everyone behaving at the polling station. Nothing to impede me in any way. Just...a well organized event that made me proud we don't have the stupid election day ESPN ####show like down south where voting can feel like walking into a boxing ring.

Having said that, I'm glad I pop into this thread (or any political thread, really) have my say, and pop out. Some of you on both sides are waaaayyyy to hardcore about this stuff. Couldn't imagine living my life living and breathing politics from the moment I wake up until I fall asleep, day after day. Thankfully the real world is not reflective of life online and for the most part we get along with each other when we're out and about. Looking forward to seeing the results and regardless of whomever win, holding them accountable to doing what is best for country going forward!

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by FlameFan21

Just returned from early voting where I cast my vote for Winnipeg North Liberal incumbent Kevin Lamoureux. A few months ago, I was going to vote for him anyway out of personal loyalty to him and to ensure there was strong opposition against Poilievre (even though the CPC was, at that point, projected to win the largest majority in Canadian history). As a lifelong, self-professed political moderate, I voted based on which leader best reflected my political beliefs and who would be best to lead Canada during these times of political and economic uncertainty. In my opinion, that leader is Mark Carney.

I won't name names, but it's obvious who I am referring to, there is an uncomfortable lack of empathy from some Liberal supporters on this forum. The reputation of the LPC has, in my opinion, been sewered by Justin Trudeau and it's easy to undertand why a good number of honest Canadians gravitate towards Pierre Poilievre on issues like taxes and the cost of living even though they may not agree with him on his more extreme ideas. Carney will have to work hard to gain the trust of these people.

The behavior has also become annoyingly cocky. I believe this election will be closer than the current polls suggest and a lot of people here are putting the cart before the horse. We all know how 2016 turned out down South... A Conservative government is a distinct possibility. There are also some posters who have implied they may not vote due to living in CPC strongholds. Vote anyway. I think one of the worst things that could happen is the Liberals winning another minority government while failing to win a plurality of the popular vote. It will just further divide the country. Go out and vote.

If a Conservative government led by Poilievre is elected, I will give him a chance to prove his critics wrong. If a government under Carney is elected and it is more of the same, I will gladly eat my words.

Lastly (and I think this was mentioned here already), if you vote today or on election day, regardless of who you vote for, thank the election workers. There has been high voter turnout so far.

That's about all I wanted to say. I just want this campaign to end. I have witnessed it firsthand get far too personal. In the end, all of us here love our country. We just differing views on how to improve it.

I am just thankful we don't get the 1.5 year long American dog and pony show.

[DFO]

Is there anything dumber than continuing to trot out the ‘mainstream media’ nonsense? It tells me all I need to know about a person.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Firebot

We are a week away from the elections and Conservatives don't have a costed platform.

It's amateur hour over there.

That's really just modern conservatism in action. The more scrutiny of their policies and ideas, the worse they look. Until voters punish them for not being transparent, they'll continue to put themselves in the best light by being vague and not quantifying the costs of their plans (or the cuts that will be required to fund them).

BC's Conservative party didn't release a costed platform until 4 days before the 2024 election. And it was pretty obvious why they waited so long; it had bigger deficits than the NDP's plan and relied on ridiculous GDP growth assumptions to paper over everything. Despite that, they were really only a few hundred votes from forming government.

And Doug Ford didn't even release a fully costed platform at all in his last election. If there's no political consequence for doing so, then why not?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by FlameFan21

I won't name names, but it's obvious who I am referring to, there is an uncomfortable lack of empathy from some Liberal supporters on this forum. The reputation of the LPC has, in my opinion, been sewered by Justin Trudeau and it's easy to undertand why a good number of honest Canadians gravitate towards Pierre Poilievre on issues like taxes and the cost of living even though they may not agree with him on his more extreme ideas. Carney will have to work hard to gain the trust of these people.

Whether this was aimed at me or not, I will happily say that when it comes to the likes of StickMan, I offer zero apologies. I’m happy to have civil discourse with others of differing political stripes and have numerous times. However, between his behaviour with respect to both COVID and politics on this forum, StickMan has been a paragon of ignorance and an unabashed purveyor of conspiratorial and abject nonsense on every subject in which he engages discussion.

[BigThief]

Are Conservatives still calling Trudeau a drama teacher dismissively? Like...can we call Pierre Polliverve...umm...ummm.....someome help.