Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm also concerned about Poilievre constantly talking about inflation. In my view, that's fighting the last war, and inflation is a non-issue at this point in time.

Inflation, and accompanying interest rates, are probably the biggest things on the minds of our young people with regard to buying a house, even though house prices are dropping somewhat recently. Also, the threatening tariff situation is potentially highly inflationary.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by StickMan

This is totally fake garbage, Pierre Poilievre always gives detailed answers to questions, it is Carney that avoids answering questions

Fake news!

Guy has been campaigning for several years and is releasing his platform six days before the election (Maybe?). Guy should try getting out of government and try to actually work for once in his life

[Looch City]

I have a fun conundrum:

If the current leaderships for Liberals and Conservatives remained the same, but the PPC party was led by Trump himself, who would the MAGA-Canadians/Alberta vote for?

Hmmm...

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by StickMan

You want me to say it another way?


I like that Pierre Poilievre will cancel c-69, cancel the carbon tax, defund the CBC.

I like that Pierre Poilievre will match immigration levels to housing/jobs/services and is not influenced by ideologies such as the century initiative.

I like that Pierre Poilievre is open to building infrastructure for getting LNG and other resources to market.

I like that Pierre Poilievre is serious about climate change by wanting to displace dirty fuels such as coal with clean fuels such as LNG, rather then taxing Canadians to change the global weather like Carney wants to do.

I like that Pierre Poilievre isn't affiliated with extremist Gerald Butts.

I like that Pierre Poilievre isn't influenced by Brookfield, WEF, UN, Century Initiative, GFANZ, Bilderberg group, China, Etc. Etc. Etc.

I like that Pierre Poilievre hasn't been endorsed by Steven Guibeault and isn't the god father of Christia Freelands kids, and wasn't an economic advisor to Trudeau.

There, now it is about the CPC - and valid debatable points.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Well if you like the way things are then vote accordingly, this is a really simple concept.

I personally can't think of anything I don't like about the CPC, the platform sounds perfectly fine to me and better than the liberal one.

I like the idea of putting a highly-educated and experienced economist in control during one of the most (if not the most, period) challenging and critical economic situations our country has faced in recent memory.

“I personally can't think of anything I don't like about the CPC,” no, you mean can’t think of a single thing to say about the CPC that you like, because you’ve not even given it a modicum of thought. You been asked several times yet you can’t even say one thing. Not one. “I like them all, I can’t pick just one” is an idiot’s escape route to avoiding admitting he couldn’t name one of you had a million dollar reward for doing so waved in front of their face.

You’re not politically aware. You’re the person who suddenly starts sharing political content around the election and begins loudly and stridently voicing their opinion when you’re also the sort of person no one would ever solicit a serious political opinion from in the first place. Politicians LOVE guys like you. You’re so eager to join your tribe and lack the critical faculties to know when you’re being hoodwinked. In short, pretty much the most dangerous kind of useful idiot when it comes to politics. You haven’t paid any attention but have lots of opinions, so you’re easily swayed when someone speaks to your basic instincts in bite-sized morsels that don’t have too many syllables for you to process.

For example, let’s say you stopped drooling on your screen long enough to name the “axe the tax” policy (if one is so generous to call it a policy):
“Durr, PP want to axe tax. Caveman brain no like tax. Caveman brain like beef jerky. Less tax mean more jerky for StickMan. Caveman brain like. Me vote for nasal voice shouty man, he axe tax and bring home jerky.” The fact that a complete roll back of said tax would impair international trade and foreign investment upon which the country relies is lost on useful idiots like yourself is because you didn’t actually realize the carbon tax is comprised of two different components. But it sure sounded great.

See, this is why I implore people to put and keep you on ignore, and why I’ll gleefully go back to doing so shortly. Time and time again, you demonstrate so clearly that you bring nothing to the discourse; you’re a pylon placed in the middle of a beautifully paved roadway that all of us have to slow down and drive around and mutter under our breath “what assһole left that fuсking pylon out there?”

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I like the idea of putting a highly-educated and experienced economist in control during one of the most (if not the most, period) challenging and critical economic situations our country has faced in recent memory.

“I personally can't think of anything I don't like about the CPC,” no, you mean can’t think of a single thing to say about the CPC that you like, because you’ve not even given it a modicum of thought. You been asked several times yet you can’t even say one thing. Not one. “I like them all, I can’t pick just one” is an idiot’s escape route to avoiding admitting he couldn’t name one of you had a million dollar reward for doing so waved in front of their face.

You’re not politically aware. You’re the person who suddenly starts sharing political content around the election and begins loudly and stridently voicing their opinion when you’re also the sort of person no one would ever solicit a serious political opinion from in the first place. Politicians LOVE guys like you. You’re so eager to join your tribe and lack the critical faculties to know when you’re being hoodwinked. In short, pretty much the most dangerous kind of useful idiot when it comes to politics. You haven’t paid any attention but have lots of opinions, so you’re easily swayed when someone speaks to your basic instincts in bite-sized morsels that don’t have too many syllables for you to process.

For example, let’s say you stopped drooling on your screen long enough to name the “axe the tax” policy (if one is so generous to call it a policy):
“Durr, PP want to axe tax. Caveman brain no like tax. Caveman brain like beef jerky. Less tax mean more jerky for StickMan. Caveman brain like. Me vote for nasal voice shouty man, he axe tax and bring home jerky.” The fact that a complete roll back of said tax would impair international trade and foreign investment upon which the country relies is lost on useful idiots like yourself is because you didn’t actually realize the carbon tax is comprised of two different components. But it sure sounded great.

See, this is why I implore people to put and keep you on ignore, and why I’ll gleefully go back to doing so shortly. Time and time again, you demonstrate so clearly that you bring nothing to the discourse; you’re a pylon placed in the middle of a beautifully paved roadway that all of us have to slow down and drive around and mutter under our breath “what assһole left that fuсking pylon out there?”

And we ignore you because you spout a bunch of nonsense and hate and name calling and negativity.

[TorqueDog]

It took you long enough to finally spit out some things you actually liked, and rather hilariously, one is the carbon tax which is already cancelled as far as it can go before it puts our economy and international trade in the toilet. Thank you for validating exactly what I said. Zero depth on the subject.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Inflation, and accompanying interest rates, are probably the biggest things on the minds of our young people with regard to buying a house, even though house prices are dropping somewhat recently. Also, the threatening tariff situation is potentially highly inflationary.

Right, and I understand that the run-up in prices over the past few years was a problem. But, this was a problem in the Western world and not just a Canadian issue with the Liberals. The other important point to note here is that inflation has decreased significantly (it's just above 2% now, where most people are comfortable). The problem is that people think that Poilievre is pitching deflation, where prices for things come down. This is a huge issue, because he isn't. The only way you'll see that is a massive recession, and no one wants that.

The truth is, on many major topics and policies, the two parties aren't that different, though. Poilievre is cutting GST on new homes up to $1.3m and Carney up to $1m. They both have income tax cuts, and they've both talked about getting our energy to market, though with a lack of concrete details.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

This is totally fake garbage, Pierre Poilievre always gives detailed answers to questions, it is Carney that avoids answering questions

For the last 3 weeks I MIGHT agree with you about PP, in that yeah, sure he is giving detailed answers to questions. But is he doing that in good faith?
I would say no. He is answering 4 questions from pre selected media outlets, and ignoring the ones he doesn't like/thinks will ask him harder questions.
Prior to this election his typical response to questions he didn't like was to call them fake news and ignore the question (or keep eating his apple).

When someone uses absolutes like "Always gives detailed answers to questions" it's a pretty good sign that they are a pretty low information voter, and aren't actually paying attention to much beyond what a campaign wants to show them.
That is especially true when it's being used to defend PP, a guy who has famously spend the last few years ignoring questions he doesn't like and more often than not, just pivoting to a 3 word slogan rather than answering a question as asked.

His typical response looks something like this:

Reporter: I have a question about XZY
PP: If you want to talk about XYZ, let's talk about the lost Liberal decade. I'm going to Ax the Tax.

Contrast that with Mark Carney, who even when asked "Questions" by openly adversarial organizations like Rebel News (Seriously, if they were at a Comic Convention, they really would be the "Ahh, more of a comment than a question"), he doesn't insult them, he actually addresses them and answers, what could be generously called, their questions.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by StickMan

This is totally fake garbage, Pierre Poilievre always gives detailed answers to questions, it is Carney that avoids answering questions

hhahaha. you are funny but are you an effing moron?

PP will only take 4 vetted questions per news conference with ZERO follow up questions! hahahah You can't make this kyit up. THIS is one of the leading parties!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

It took you long enough to finally spit out some things you actually liked, and rather hilariously, one is the carbon tax which is already cancelled as far as it can go before it puts our economy and international trade in the toilet. Thank you for validating exactly what I said. Zero depth on the subject.

OK but PP is going to cancel the cancelled carbon tax! That’s double cancelled! That’s better!

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

For the last 3 weeks I MIGHT agree with you about PP, in that yeah, sure he is giving detailed answers to questions. But is he doing that in good faith?
I would say no. He is answering 4 questions from pre selected media outlets, and ignoring the ones he doesn't like/thinks will ask him harder questions.
Prior to this election his typical response to questions he didn't like was to call them fake news and ignore the question (or keep eating his apple).

When someone uses absolutes like "Always gives detailed answers to questions" it's a pretty good sign that they are a pretty low information voter, and aren't actually paying attention to much beyond what a campaign wants to show them.
That is especially true when it's being used to defend PP, a guy who has famously spend the last few years ignoring questions he doesn't like and more often than not, just pivoting to a 3 word slogan rather than answering a question as asked.

His typical response looks something like this:

Reporter: I have a question about XZY
PP: If you want to talk about XYZ, let's talk about the lost Liberal decade. I'm going to Ax the Tax.

If you criticize pp for that, you also have to criticize every politician. We just listened to a decade of Freeland and Trudeau give word salad non-answers to every question.

[Red Slinger]

Can I please repeat the previous request to stop quoting StickMan? They are not a serious person and are obviously not capable of rational, intelligent conversation. It would be great if we could just ignore their uber-partisan blathering.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SnowflakeMan

And we ignore you because you spout a bunch of nonsense and hate and name calling and negativity.

I guess we found the guy who wipes his ass with hedgehogs. lollolollol

.... For a Change....

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

OK but PP is going to cancel the cancelled carbon tax! That’s double cancelled! That’s better!

There are many levels of carbon tax, the consumer carbon tax that Carney currently has set to zero is one of many carbon taxes, and it is yet to be completely abolished, I could easily see the liberals increasing the consumer carbon tax again after they win the election. And Carney's only climate plan seems to involve taxing Canadians at some level, which I completely disagree with. .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pierre took 11 years to get a degree and has never had a job outside of the Telus call center.

Might be the worst candidate of all time.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

If you criticize pp for that, you also have to criticize every politician. We just listened to a decade of Freeland and Trudeau give word salad non-answers to every question.

Which leader is only taking 4 questions at a time with no follow ups?
Which leader is usually only taking questions from friendly media sources?
Which leader is preventing media outlets from traveling with the campaign?

So which leader is dealing with the media and answering questions in good faith?

You said PP ALWAYS gives detailed answers, and Carney avoids answering questions.

You sure about that?
Are you sure the guy who is actively not allowing media to have opportunities to ask questions isn't the one who is avoiding answering questions?

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Can I please repeat the previous request to stop quoting StickMan? They are not a serious person and are obviously not capable of rational, intelligent conversation. It would be great if we could just ignore their uber-partisan blathering.

Hey everyone, let's just ignore everyone that Red Slinger didn't agree with, that will make a great discussion, not like CP isn't mostly a left wing echo chamber already.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Pierre took 11 years to get a degree and has never had a job outside of the Telus call center.

Might be the worst candidate of all time.

Except for maybe the guy with massive conflicts of interest from his years working outside of politics? I think a career politician is an excellent person to do a political type job, such as being a prime minister. We all saw how well the drama teacher turned out.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Hey everyone, let's just ignore everyone that Red Slinger didn't agree with, that will make a great discussion, not like CP isn't mostly a left wing echo chamber already.

I mean, why should we give you the benfit of the doubt?

Remember when you posted this?

Originally Posted by StickMan

Canada's Liberal cabinet just secretly authorized spending $40.3 billion of our taxpayer wealth on their programs — in the middle of an election.

How? Executive decree known as an "order in council."

Media coverage: Zero.

"$40.3 BILLION DOLLARS - Order in Council - Governor General Signs off during Prorogue Parliament & Election
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
$178,154,676
Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
6,709,190,359
Department of Indigenous Services
6,257,916,341
Department for Women and Gender Equality
92,288,381
Department of Employment and Social Development
1,712,060,872
Privy Council Office
113,927,125
Treasury Board Secretariat
1,100,200,396
Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
25,346,200
Immigration and Refugee Board
38,619,423
Department of National Defence
4,511,034,415
....."


https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/...=47207&lang=en

And a bunch of posters pointed out that the way you characterized it, was pretty much BS?
What did you do? Did you try to rebut it with a thought out opinion?
Did you admit you might be wrong?

Nope, you ignored it.

Here we are banging our heads against the wall trying to point out that your Opinion isn't based in reality, when you've shown that when confronted with verifiable facts, you ignore it.

You can't even admit when your reality isn't founded in reality.

So yeah, it's not the fact that we don't agree with you, it's the fact that you post obviously false information, and you don't engage in food faith.

Here I am giving you another chance to prove us wrong, but I doubt you'll take it.