2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Who is worrying?

- Solovyov (24) has looked good in his small samples playing with the club this season. I felt that was true with my eyeball test when he was playing with Pachal and someone was saying his fancy stats were good. Chances are that if the Flames do not give him a chance that some other team will grab him off waivers next year.

That would be you.

Raising the possibility of losing Solovyov to waivers before this season is even wrapped up is borderline insanity. If you look up "Replacement level player" in the dictionary, you would see Solovyov's picture. Losing him would be like dropping a penny and watching it roll into a sewer gutter. It's meaningless -- and why are you even walking around with a penny in the first place?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't understand the want to trade Sharangovich. The guy has been battling a high ankle sprain most of the year and we know what he can do when he is healthy. You don't shuttle out a 30+ goal scorer you just signed when he has little to no value due to a nagging injury, that's just stupid. The guys shot is elite.

Correct. Moving him now would be at the worst possible time. Calgary needs to see if he can rebound. It's not like they desperately need the cap space, and it's not like they would get anything for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Freddy

I have no doubt Bahl is a top 4 in the league now and has a ceiling of being an elite shutdown D in the league (like Team Canada candidate). He already leads the league in stick checks. Look at the Flames record when he was out with concussion. Look at his +\- compared to his D partner Andersson. How many guys his size are that effective and take so few penalties? Kevin Bahl is a stud and if I was Conman I would try to sign him long term ASAP.

Hard to ever imagine that Bahl can be a Team Canada candidate.

Plus/Minus is a very flawed stat, so I would tend to ignore it.

Now I agree he has been a huge surprise and quite effective, but dmen who make Team Canada as elite shutddown types will also have some pretty good offensive skill in moving the puck.

The only chance would be if Parekh became Makar one day, Bahl was his partner, and they wanted to take pairs like Makar/Toews and Parekh/Bahl.

Wouldn't that be something?

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't understand the want to trade Sharangovich. The guy has been battling a high ankle sprain most of the year and we know what he can do when he is healthy. You don't shuttle out a 30+ goal scorer you just signed when he has little to no value due to a nagging injury, that's just stupid. The guys shot is elite.

Not arguing for him to be traded, but I think people see the season he's had and look at his play on NJ, and worry that last year was the outlier, not the normal. I think the feeling from Devils fans was that he would disappear for long periods of time, and didn't bring much if he wasn't scoring (maybe misremembering though).

I agree that it's silly to try to trade him, as he would probably have negative value though; there's really no downside to seeing if he turns it around next season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s silly to trade him, but the extension felt rushed as well.

[Enoch Root]

Players have good and bad years. The ankle injury derailed him. Let's see what he looks like next year.

The same thing is true for Farabee. He is showing lots of good signs. He just needs s summer to regroup, and prep for a new year where he'll get a fresh start, out from under the coach that ruined him.

Fans need to learn to be patient.

[bluejays]

Bahl is solid but not a top 3. Top 4-6, sure. Anyway, I think fans tend to fixate on certain things good or bad, and establish value based on those traits that stick out. To those that value Bahl as a top 3, is anyone going to give up a 2nd and a 3rd for him? I'm not convinced. It's the same thing with Andersson. Solid player but probably a #2-3 on most teams, but a few months ago a lot were thinking he'd bring back huge value. Now he's regressed and would not get what he'd get at the start of the season.

[Finger Cookin]

But is he more of a top 3.5 or a top 4.5?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Bahl is solid but not a top 3. Top 4-6, sure. Anyway, I think fans tend to fixate on certain things good or bad, and establish value based on those traits that stick out. To those that value Bahl as a top 3, is anyone going to give up a 2nd and a 3rd for him? I'm not convinced. It's the same thing with Andersson. Solid player but probably a #2-3 on most teams, but a few months ago a lot were thinking he'd bring back huge value. Now he's regressed and would not get what he'd get at the start of the season.

Bahl's progression has been significant. Last year was his first full season as a 23YO - pretty standard for a defenseman, and good for a 2nd round pick, especially for such a big body, as larger players often take longer.

This year, as a 24YO, he was pushed higher in the lineup than he should have been, and handled it spectacularly, and progressed tremendously. Played like a legitimate top 4 all year.

For a guy with his size, and skating ability, the sky is the limit. And he is progressing amazingly well. Most defenseman don't put it all together until about 26. By 26, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a legitimate #2. But a solid 3-4 is almost a given.

[flamesgod]

I think it will start like this:

Hanley Weegar
Bahl Andersson
Pachal Parekh

But I wouldn’t mind seeing this:
Weegar Andersson
Bahl Parekh
Hanley Pachal

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I think it will start like this:

Hanley Weegar
Bahl Andersson
Pachal Parekh

But I wouldn’t mind seeing this:
Weegar Andersson
Bahl Parekh
Hanley Pachal

That is exactly what I would do, if I were putting him in the lineup

[Canada 02]

two righties?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

two righties?

I would rather Pachal than Bean or Miromanov

You could put Pachal with Weegar and Hanley with Parekh, but Hanley has earned the top 4 minutes over Pachal. Either way, 6 vs half a dozen, IMO.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

If the Flames gave up three more goals per game, they would be giving up an average of 5.93 goals per game. Here is the list of teams that have ever given up 5.93 goals per game in an NHL season:





That's right. It has never happened. The 1974-75 Washington Capitals hold the record at 5.58 – an expansion team composed almost entirely of what were then replacement-level players. Since the NHL had just expanded to 18 teams and the WHA to 14, there were as many major pro hockey teams in North America as there are now – but few Americans, almost no Europeans, and zero players from behind the Iron Curtain. The talent level of the bottom teams was abysmal, far worse than you will ever find in a league of established teams with a salary cap. And yet that still did not make any team give up three goals per game more than this year's Flames have.

You are simply overstating your case massively, based on a faulty understanding of how goals are prevented and how much any one player contributes to that process.

Sure, you took the numbers and clobbered my head with them to the point of obliterating the point I was trying to make. I even put quotes around "3 goals" in my last post because I do not think it is going to be 3 goals per game every game. That's crazy.

I guess what I should have said is "if our team defense gets worse then close games that we are barely winning likely flip to close losses". This team has had a lot of 1 goal games, overtime wins, shootout wins, and OT/SO losses and it would not take much of a decline defensively to have any number of those games go the wrong way next season.

Then again, perhaps we find some more goal scoring in the roster and a defensive decline would be less noticeable but this team is definitely not winning through offensive right now. Or, Solovyov and Parekh join the team and we do not even notice the absence of Andersson and Hanley.

[dammage79]

Bahl is a long term solution in CGY. He'll have up and down years like everyone but I don't know if Conroy could have done any better finding a Dman to pair with the likes of Parekh or Brzustewicz . The next decade of Flames d corps has a nice outlook or potential to be amazing.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

That would be you.

Raising the possibility of losing Solovyov to waivers before this season is even wrapped up is borderline insanity. If you look up "Replacement level player" in the dictionary, you would see Solovyov's picture. Losing him would be like dropping a penny and watching it roll into a sewer gutter. It's meaningless -- and why are you even walking around with a penny in the first place?

Hypothetical planning more than a month in advance is worrying now? Got it.

I like how you compare prospects that the organization has been developing for years to pennies. It really demonstrates how big of a waste of time and effort it is to develop players beyond selecting them in the draft. I think the organization should follow your line of thinking and fold the Wranglers now and stop walking around with all of these pennies.

[traptor]

Sharangovich isn't as bad as he's been this year, but I don't necessarily think his ceiling is that much higher.

Even last year with his 30g season he was -29. Hes a soft player with a deadly shot and a power play merchant.


His true offensive production lies in between this year and last.

Hes a 20-25 goal guy with a relatively weak 5v5 game. Shades of Hoffman.

Useful player as goals are hard to come by, but hes a role player and not a driver.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Bahl makes top 4 on a hell of a lot of teams. He could replace the 4 on a lot of good teams right now, with little to no on ice downgrade.

The lack of respect for 200 foot players that lean defensively continues!

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

But is he more of a top 3.5 or a top 4.5?

Def 3.75 with the occasional .50 modifier.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The lack of respect for 200 foot players that lean defensively continues!

Speaking for myself, I've just heard so much glowing praise from 960 and other media about every "200 foot player" we've had here for so long now.. "oh you need these guys to win, these are the guys you win with".

Yet we have 2 playoff round wins in 20 years to show for it.. So until further notice yeah I'm kinda excited for anything that skews more offensively minded.