Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I saw a link to the Conservatives "pre-election strategy poll" on their site, and good god. Even if I liked their policy ideas, the thought of having people who talk like this running the country is nauseating:



https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/pre-...strategy-poll/

At this point, their "anti-woke" agenda is so cringey, I honestly get turned off every time these right wing lunatics use it derisively. It's like nails on a chalkboard, and makes these people look like clowns.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

The interesting thing is that with the Trump back drop it’s politically benefiting to cooperate. So it might be possible for the feds to lead the provinces in eliminating barriers.

The trade barriers are fundamentally a provincial problem not a federal one so really it’s a leadership test rather than a policy test. Things like the size of French writing on cereal boxes will derail this.

Yeah, conservatives don’t seem to understand the source of the internal trade barriers issue. Canada is a very loose federation, and the provinces jealously protect their prerogatives. Conservative provincial governments, in particular, have always opposed the federal government overstepping their authority.

I mean it’s great conservatives are getting onboard with greater federal authority in this country. But let’s not pretend this was ever anything but a problem created by the provinces.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by opendoor

That's the problem though. That negligible benefit for higher earners still means losing a lot of tax revenue. If we were running surpluses or these were targeted tax cuts that would generate economic growth, then sure. But we'd be using billions of borrowed dollars every year to give higher earners some extra pocket change.

How would you avoid that though? Tax cut in the lowest bracket unless your total income is above a threshould?



So now you complicate the tax code where instead of a single rate per tax bracket you have multiple rates and have to figure out which one applies?


It would of course be better to just nudge the rates up in a higher bracket to get the result you want, but tax increases are politically toxic.

[SebC]

Jagmeet's GST cut is actually more wealthy-favouring than the income tax cut, because the wealthy have more expensive cell phone plans, heating bills, etc.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Wormius

My absentee MP seems to have started putting up her signs already. Kind or surprised Rempel even wants to run again. She hasn’t done anything except try to rile up discontent.

I wonder what Rempel, who wrote this article debunking the WEF conspiracy theory, thinks of PP's promise to ban MPs from attending the WEF, which implicitly backs the theory.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

At this point, their "anti-woke" agenda is so cringey, I honestly get turned off every time these right wing lunatics use it derisively. It's like nails on a chalkboard, and makes these people look like clowns.

Honestly wokeness peaked a few years ago, maybe several years ago now. The classic wokeness people harped on has really simmered down in recent years to where it's not in your face any more.

You know who/what is? MAGA/maple-MAGA types who've responded with their own insufferable version of right wokeness where they're similarly hyper sensitive, accusatory and taken on a victim narrative.

They're also the only crowd that habitually fires off the word woke nowadays in its talking points.

They just look like crazies railing against ghosts at this point and have lost the plot (reality).

[Sylvanfan]

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/

If you dare, CBC has their vote compass up. I envision that if I went to the Epoch Times version... no matter what I picked for answers it would say I should vote for the CPC.

I'm a boring arsed Centrist myself, pretty close to the dead center economically and socially when you do the 3D view. So these days that puts me closer to the Liberals than this version of the Conservatives.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by SebC

How would you avoid that though? Tax cut in the lowest bracket unless your total income is above a threshould?

So now you complicate the tax code where instead of a single rate per tax bracket you have multiple rates and have to figure out which one applies?

It would of course be better to just nudge the rates up in a higher bracket to get the result you want, but tax increases are politically toxic.

You just raise the higher tax bracket % tax rate to claw back the discounts on the lower ones, such that high earners pay the same.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/

If you dare, CBC has their vote compass up. I envision that if I went to the Epoch Times version... no matter what I picked for answers it would say I should vote for the CPC.

I'm a boring arsed Centrist myself, pretty close to the dead center economically and socially when you do the 3D view. So these days that puts me closer to the Liberals than this version of the Conservatives.

It put me right where expected, between the liberals and conservatives but leaning Liberal. Which is exactly how i feel right now.

All other reasons excluded, Carney is just straight up more qualified for the job.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I saw a link to the Conservatives "pre-election strategy poll" on their site, and good god. Even if I liked their policy ideas, the thought of having people who talk like this running the country is nauseating:



https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/pre-...strategy-poll/

Holy christ, that’s embarrassing. I can’t believe that’s real.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I saw a link to the Conservatives "pre-election strategy poll" on their site, and good god. Even if I liked their policy ideas, the thought of having people who talk like this running the country is nauseating]

You would think they’d want some honest answers to help tailor their strategy, but the arrogance is just so high that they don’t care. Asking questions like this is just looking for people to pat their back on how awesome their plan is.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

How would you avoid that though? Tax cut in the lowest bracket unless your total income is above a threshould?



So now you complicate the tax code where instead of a single rate per tax bracket you have multiple rates and have to figure out which one applies?


It would of course be better to just nudge the rates up in a higher bracket to get the result you want, but tax increases are politically toxic.

They already did this with the personal exemption limit. The complication is already in place. I think you are better off adjusting a higher bracket lower and a lower bracket higher and keeping the system universal then creating carve outs but the system for those carve outs exists.

[Ped]

That Conservative thing is a party in the mindset of being the opposition.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

At this point, their "anti-woke" agenda is so cringey, I honestly get turned off every time these right wing lunatics use it derisively. It's like nails on a chalkboard, and makes these people look like clowns.

I honestly think it’s fantastic. Don’t hide anything and just get all those dumb views out in the open so that people can see who they really are.

[Johnny Makarov]

Libs now hold an 8 point lead which prob in real life means double digits. A 37 point swing from Dec 30... lol



https://angusreid.org/canadian-elect...-bloc-polling/

[Paulie Walnuts]

What is Poly market it had PP up

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/

If you dare, CBC has their vote compass up. I envision that if I went to the Epoch Times version... no matter what I picked for answers it would say I should vote for the CPC.

I'm a boring arsed Centrist myself, pretty close to the dead center economically and socially when you do the 3D view. So these days that puts me closer to the Liberals than this version of the Conservatives.

I'm quite literally in the middle in between the LPC and CPC, but I already knew that. Yet some posters here always try to pass me as a raging deep conservative in the past simply because I hated the Trudeau-Singh coalition government.



There's somethings I have very strong opinions on (immigration levels for example were outrageous before the clampdown), which I assume caused me to deviate a bit on the social conservative side. My answer there puts me in PPC land but everything else was always aligned to Liberal or CPC.

This appears seems to have been somewhat adjusted for Carney's Liberals, which I think have gotten themselves more on the economic right, but remaining social progressive.

NDP in lala land there with the Green Party, no wonder they are down to 7% in the Angus Reid polls.

You can get an image by pressing the share on X / Twitter link if curious

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I'm quite literally in the middle in between the LPC and CPC, but I already knew that. Yet some posters here always try to pass me as a raging deep conservative in the past simply because I hated the Trudeau-Singh coalition government.

I think you should stop worrying about what other people think.

And yes I see the irony of the that statement.

[trackercowe]

Carney is dodging the French debate? https://nationalpost.com/news/mark-c...anguage-debate

That won't go over well with pollsters in Quebec.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Carney is dodging the French debate? https://nationalpost.com/news/mark-c...anguage-debate

That won't go over well with pollsters in Quebec.

It's not the real french debate. It's put on by some 2nd rate station like Shaw TV. Every party has to pay $75k becuase i guess they have no money? lol

Carney is still doing the regular French debate. haha. saw that the link was from National Post. Desperate times man.