Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Kaine]

Double post

[Looch City]

Damn you're right, I forgot Trudeau was running again.

Okay I'm voting CPC and PP now!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

It’s hard to believe people could be fooled into supporting the liberals after the last 9.5 years.

It's hard to believe in 2025 that there are Trump apologists in Canada.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So who we figure is the next person from the MAGAverse to try the "I swear I'd prefer Carney" trick? Elon? Joe Rogan?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's in the news now. The BC government is now working on ways to shift things around in their budget to potentially cover the new shortfall. This could mean cuts to services or increased taxes or other measures.

Well, no kidding.
What else is supposed to happen when you cut a large revenue stream?

The BC tax has been around since 2008 and generally considered very successful. It was started by the BC Liberals & eventually supported & kept when the NDP took over.
Both conservative and liberal minded governments supported it.

But now it has to go, because simple minds are afraid of the words " carbon tax".
If there's an own here; it's an own on the morons who need things canceled because they're snowflakes afraid of a word; so the rest of us have to deal with a 1.6B budget shortfall to appease their sensitivities.

[dieHARDflameZ]

In all fairness though, the carbon tax is a complete scam. That was an easy low hanging fruit for Carney.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Parameters of the game has changed.

Before the trade war, people across the board were ready for change (even for the sake of change).

Now our sovereignty is potentially at stake not far down the road, fears of green initiatives is small beans compared to fending off the bully to the south and his tariffs.

PP has shown himself to be tone deaf and doesn't seem to be able to offer specific solutions but just continues to rail against what's now a ghost of the past. His accusations against Carney lack solid evidence (compared to the Liberals who have direct quotes of him repeating Trump's statements verbatim), and he still refrains from calling out Trump directly. That's a red flag for me.

Has Pierre convinced me in any way, shape or form that he's the guy we should entrust with upholding our sovereignty and fighting tooth and nail against this dementia-riddled aggressor? Hell no. And not when he potentially has Trump and Trump policy sympathizers in his midst. He needs to condemn it explicitly to inject any faith into me, personally.

Meanwhile in what could be the shortest PM term in history, Carney immediately has gone to Europe to strengthen relations over there. I see one guy working for his country's future economic interests and another b####ing about some irrelevant #### over the 800 pound gorilla in the corner.

Approaching this like the last 2 months didn't change the way we need to think about our vote is dimwitted.

And I was ready to vote PP a calendar year ago, so it's not like I was ever in the liberals' camp. I haven't been for at least half of those 9 years.

But times and circumstances change.

I'd recommend getting off PP's teat for a minute and seriously thinking about this from a pro-Canada perspective. Not just through blue goggles.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It doesn't have to be, if you project that the tax cut will stimulate enough economic activity to increase the tax base to compensate.

I have been listening to sundry British, Canadian and US right wing parties selling this bull for decades and it is utter tosh, while I agree over taxation can be a drag on an economy I have never seen any evidence that less tax, with it's massive concurrent cuts to essential services, increases anything but poverty and pain

The most successful economies have always relied on massive government spending, be it through providing educated workers, good transportation, healthcare etc, the third world is full of countries that have little or no taxes, no one is building a chip fab in Somalia or the Congo though

[afc wimbledon]

PeePee is a lightweight moron who has no achievements of note in any field at all, not even politics frankly, he is the Boris Johnson of the Canadian right without even Johnsons sense of humour, I wouldn't hire him to run a 7/11

In any other normal timeline a ideological twat that can't wipe his arse in the dark would be fine, the country would suffer for 4 or 5 years while the message was being absorbed by the Liberals who would adjust and take over in the end but this isnt a normal timeline and the CPC are utterly unqualified, a wholly unserious party, that Canada can't afford to leave in charge for any length of time

[Muta]

The 'Trump supporting Carney' ruse? Absolute 4D chess over there lol. Would 'rather be the 51st state' than vote for Carney? How do you dumb dumbs think Canada becoming a 51st state quickest?

The conservative fear is now VERY palpable.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What kind of an idiot would vote liberal after the last 9yrs. Especially since the new liberal leader is an activist millionaire who will profit from forcing Canadians to pay for his green agenda. I don't know what is worse, becoming the 51st state or having Carney as PM, I can't see any upside to Carney.

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

It’s hard to believe people could be fooled into supporting the liberals after the last 9.5 years.

I think these comments show a real lack of curiosity as to how people think. Really you should seek to understand why someone might want to vote for Carney as opposed to calling them “fooled”or “idiots”

It’s the same lack of curiosity people had with people who voted for Trump. In general people have reasons for the way they vote. It’s worth listening rather than just dismissing. Otherwise you get to learn the lesson US democrats are currently learning.


Just because you don’t want to believe something doesn’t mean it’s not true.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think these comments show a real lack of curiosity as to how people think. Really you should seek to understand why someone might want to vote for Carney as opposed to calling them “fooled”or “idiots”

It’s the same lack of curiosity people had with people who voted for Trump. In general people have reasons for the way they vote. It’s worth listening rather than just dismissing. Otherwise you get to learn the lesson US democrats are currently learning.


Just because you don’t want to believe something doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Just for the record we can concede that the name calling has come from both sides in this thread. Especially that angry Russian guy in this thread that is constantly calling Conservatives morons, idiots etc…

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by StickMan

What kind of an idiot would vote liberal after the last 9yrs. Especially since the new liberal leader is an activist millionaire who will profit from forcing Canadians to pay for his green agenda. I don't know what is worse, becoming the 51st state or having Carney as PM, I can't see any upside to Carney.

Are you unwell?

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Almost as if there are bigger issues for most Canadian's right now than Left vs Right. Especially when the Liberals are far closer to center than the current UCP.


I have never in my life voted Liberal but I 100% will be next election as my countries sovereignty is far more important to me than old party lines that have shifted so much in recent years they are no longer what they once were.


I strongly suspect I am not alone as a lot of conservative voters feel they no longer have a party.

A lot of people make this argument of Canadian sovereignty as their reason for voting Liberal. What is the actual reason for this? The biggest threat to Canadian sovereignty and prosperity has been the mismanagement of this country for the last decade. It’s the reason why we are in such a vulnerable position.

Do people actually believe the “Maple MAGA?” What is it exactly that makes people think PP will sell out to Trump? The conservatives have been backing proper resource management and diversified trade for a long time now. They have been constantly criticizing Canada-US trade and the ridiculous discount applied to our O&G resources. Trump has come out multiple times and voiced his disapproval of PP (not just yesterday)

I can’t really blame Trump for voicing his preference to do business with Canadian Liberals. Probably much easier for him and the US to continue to take
advantage of us.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I still can’t wrap my head around thinking groups of people who vote for a particular party, or even work for one, are all the exact same, and they never change, except when it’s convenient, which then is bad, because it’s never to correct a mistake like we’re all supposed to, it’s just convenient, because everyone always anywhere is only thinking about income and nobody has beliefs or morales or families or friends or people they care about…. ####.

Guys. They are political parties. This #### should be way less die hard than sports teams. And we mostly make fun of people who are this stupid about sports teams…

[Mathgod]

Trump's farcical "endorsement" of the Liberals is no different from Putin's farcical "endorsement" of Kamala.

They know despised they are outside their country, and they use their "endorsement" as a way to hurt the candidate they are "endorsing".

Which is obvious to anyone who has 2 brain cells to rub together.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Trump's farcical "endorsement" of the Liberals is no different from Putin's farcical "endorsement" of Kamala.

They know despised they are outside their country, and they use their "endorsement" as a way to hurt the candidate they are "endorsing".

Which is obvious to anyone who has 2 brain cells to rub together.

Ya because Canada US relations and Russia US relations are basically the same!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Just for the record we can concede that the name calling has come from both sides in this thread. Especially that angry Russian guy in this thread that is constantly calling Conservatives morons, idiots etc…

I’m not complaining about the name calling.

It’s more the claim that they can’t understand why someone would want to vote for carney. It’s intentional cognitive dissonance.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

This may have sounded better (I didnt actually listen) but written out it makes me laugh to read. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...unts-1.7487589

I hope someone asks him what deals he’s made in the past, particularly international ones….

<crickets>

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

A lot of people make this argument of Canadian sovereignty as their reason for voting Liberal. What is the actual reason for this? The biggest threat to Canadian sovereignty and prosperity has been the mismanagement of this country for the last decade. It’s the reason why we are in such a vulnerable position.

Do people actually believe the “Maple MAGA?” What is it exactly that makes people think PP will sell out to Trump? The conservatives have been backing proper resource management and diversified trade for a long time now. They have been constantly criticizing Canada-US trade and the ridiculous discount applied to our O&G resources. Trump has come out multiple times and voiced his disapproval of PP (not just yesterday)

I can’t really blame Trump for voicing his preference to do business with Canadian Liberals. Probably much easier for him and the US to continue to take
advantage of us.

Are you on crack?? the biggest threat to Canada is the right wing nut job running the US who is threatening to invade us that PeePee has been aping for the last 3 years

As to why we think PeePee will sell out to Trump, two reasons, first he has less experience of international relations or running a G7 country than I do, he is utterly unqualified, he wouldn't do a good job of running Canada under any circumstances and his team is a complete joke, he is utterly beholden to his extreme right who have been bobbing on Trump's dick for a decade, the only reason he is trying (badly) to distance himself from Dorito Twitterlinni is because Trump is now poison here but in his heart of hearts he loves that MAGA bull