If Canada wants to retaliate, then they should start with the Ontario auto manufacturing.
Well, considering all options are on the table.. that would be an option that is on the table.
Funny that you are so quick to say no to energy tariffs but have no problem throwing someone else industry out there.
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yes, I agree with this. I think she should have been quiet, and taken a package to the ROC with demands in exchange for keeping export tariffs on the table as a discussion point.
Actually using them would then be a whole different package.
In hockey terms, she should have asked for two first rounders just to not say what she did. Then if they actually want to put tariffs on, she would ask for 5 first rounders.
This also assumes that Alberta would get ALL of the revenue created by the oil export tariff.
So what you are saying is that you agree with everyone that she did not act in the best interest of Albertans the past few weeks and shutting up was the better choice.
Thank you, you could have saved pages of debate if you started with this
Well, considering all options are on the table.. that would be an option that is on the table.
Funny that you are so quick to say no to energy tariffs but have no problem throwing someone else industry out there.
An industry that is likely to hurt far worse by tariffs than Alberta's energy industry... but whatever. Alberta is the victim still.
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So what you are saying is that you agree with everyone that she did not act in the best interest of Albertans the past few weeks and shutting up was the better choice.
Thank you, you could have saved pages of debate if you started with this
There is always room to optimize your approach, this is no different. Also, we don't know if she did approach them and was denied, or if she will leverage it in the future.
On the other hand, her approach was the most honest, as she was never going to accept (without a fight) an export tariff. If Central Canada wanted a consolidated and unified front, without grasping at things that are impractical (like an oil export tariff), then they should have said everything was on the table except energy export tariffs.
Well, considering all options are on the table.. that would be an option that is on the table.
Funny that you are so quick to say no to energy tariffs but have no problem throwing someone else industry out there.
If there are no energy tariffs from the US, as many are predicting, then Trumps tariffs will be bilateral in nature between Central Canada and the US. Alberta and its oil won't be a party to the dispute, so I'm not suggesting "throwing someone else out there".
There is always room to optimize your approach, this is no different. Also, we don't know if she did approach them and was denied, or if she will leverage it in the future.
On the other hand, her approach was the most honest, as she was never going to accept (without a fight) an export tariff. If Central Canada wanted a consolidated and unified front, without grasping at things that are impractical (like an oil export tariff), then they should have said everything was on the table except energy export tariffs.
Did you agree or disagree with Trudeau's carbon tax exemption on fuel oil?
You’re missing the point entirely. Whether the feds can or can’t impose tariffs is irrelevant to the lost leverage and missed opportunity to negotiate with the other provinces to advance Alberta’s interests
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An industry that is likely to hurt far worse by tariffs than Alberta's energy industry... but whatever. Alberta is the victim still.
If there is no oil tariff from Trump, then Alberta is only a victim if Central Canada decides to impose an export tax on Albertans. That type of taxation without representation is exactly what breaks countries apart.
A Trump/Central Canada trade dispute isn't Alberta's problem/
If there are no energy tariffs from the US, as many are predicting, then Trumps tariffs will be bilateral in nature between Central Canada and the US. Alberta and its oil won't be a party to the dispute, so I'm not suggesting "throwing someone else out there".
As much as you want Alberta to be separate from Canada it is not. It will be bilateral against the entire country of Canada.
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There is always room to optimize your approach, this is no different. Also, we don't know if she did approach them and was denied, or if she will leverage it in the future.
On the other hand, her approach was the most honest, as she was never going to accept (without a fight) an export tariff. If Central Canada wanted a consolidated and unified front, without grasping at things that are impractical (like an oil export tariff), then they should have said everything was on the table except energy export tariffs.
What's impractical about an oil export tariff?
An in-demand resource heavily integrated into their economy that is expensive and time consuming to find a replacement for, if there is an economic case to find an alternative at all. The economic effects would be felt quickly and cause internal pressure to find solutions.
It just might be the most practical economic response the country has. You're confusing practicality with whether or not you like it, which is irrelevant.
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An in-demand resource heavily integrated into their economy that is expensive and time consuming to find a replacement for, if there is an economic case to find an alternative at all. The economic effects would be felt quickly and cause internal pressure to find solutions.
It just might be the most practical economic response the country has. You're confusing practicality with whether or not you like it, which is irrelevant.
It's impractical because it would create a massive national unity problem, endless amounts of legal challenge from Alberta (despite our local law professors opinion), would ignite all manner of grassroots efforts, dramatically increase the percentage of the population that thinks Alberta should move to more autonomy, risks an even more damaging response from the US. Shall I go on?
It's impractical because it would create a massive national unity problem, endless amounts of legal challenge from Alberta (despite our local law professors opinion), would ignite all manner of grassroots efforts, dramatically increase the percentage of the population that thinks Alberta should move to more autonomy, risks an even more damaging response from the US. Shall I go on?
Or you know, just make people hate the US and Trump even more. This isn’t the NEP
Or you know, just make people hate the US and Trump even more. This isn’t the NEP
If Trump doesn't put a tariff on oil, and Central Canada attempts to put an export tax on oil, then it will not be Trump that the population will hate. Canada is way more of a tinderbox than people want to admit at the moment.
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Just going to wade in here. Given my experience in large private corporations, there is a rule to successfully running a meeting. You call each stakeholder and profile and influence them PRIOR to the big unveil.
Before Trudeau needed to jump yet again in front of the cameras, did he call each Premier? If so why the eff do you drag them all together to make Canada look like a band of misaligned fools.
We know the answer, he pulled them together and made an assumption on two things. He’d look good at the helm, and the Premiers even the one who was screaming no would just go along.
In short this has been our government. Quick to react and not plan properly. Its the hallmark of Trudeau. It continues to cost Canada. Now he goes on mop up by pointing fingers.
All preventable by making a call to you singular stakeholder and working with her. BoLevi is right, but Trudeau should hve called her. This is national and he unfortunately is the leader.
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It's impractical because it would create a massive national unity problem
Massive in what way. Like Canada in the 70s? Canada in the 80s? Canada in the 90s?
Why do you think this is a threat? Beyond Smith continuously mentioning it like it means something, anyway. What makes you think a unity problem is something the country isn't used to? Are you under the age of 30 and didn't learn about anything in Canada before the turn of the millennium?
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endless amounts of legal challenge from Alberta (despite our local law professors opinion)
The matter of export tariffs has long been settled. What would they be challenging?
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would ignite all manner of grassroots efforts, dramatically increase the percentage of the population that thinks Alberta should move to more autonomy
Again, 1970s, 80s, or 90s levels of dramatics?
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risks an even more damaging response from the US.
That's a risk with any response, this isn't any time to be a wimp in negotiations.
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Shall I go on?
Would you have anything interesting to say or continue with the same tired talking points from Rob Anderson's dream journal?
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If there are no energy tariffs from the US, as many are predicting, then Trumps tariffs will be bilateral in nature between Central Canada and the US. Alberta and its oil won't be a party to the dispute, so I'm not suggesting "throwing someone else out there".
Holy crap. You actually think that oil is the only thing that Alberta exports to the US, don't you? That explains a lot.
(Energy makes up about 70% of exports to the US).
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If Trump doesn't put a tariff on oil, and Central Canada attempts to put an export tax on oil, then it will not be Trump that the population will hate. Canada is way more of a tinderbox than people want to admit at the moment.
This is my most hated tripe in these conversations. The thing is, there are many other industries that are going to be catastrophically impacted by these tariffs. To say “we’re not willing to help” is just plain ridiculous, but that’s the position that you’re not only advocating for, but implying that there will be violence and conflict if the industry is forced into helping.
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It's amazing how Conservative supporters can only find a way to blame everyone else for all the woes in Canada, but never look in their own ####ing back yard where the giant albatross is squawking away like a toddler asked to leave the ball pen.
Like, gee, where's the real issue? It's the moron bending over for a foreign bully, and won't take no for an answer when the RoC asks here WTF she is doing. She's just about the worst negotiator in the galaxy, and y'all want to pretend she's some devious mastermind.
Just going to wade in here. Given my experience in large private corporations, there is a rule to successfully running a meeting. You call each stakeholder and profile and influence them PRIOR to the big unveil.
Before Trudeau needed to jump yet again in front of the cameras, did he call each Premier? If so why the eff do you drag them all together to make Canada look like a band of misaligned fools.
We know the answer, he pulled them together and made an assumption on two things. He’d look good at the helm, and the Premiers even the one who was screaming no would just go along.
In short this has been our government. Quick to react and not plan properly. Its the hallmark of Trudeau. It continues to cost Canada. Now he goes on mop up by pointing fingers.
All preventable by making a call to you singular stakeholder and working with her. BoLevi is right, but Trudeau should hve called her. This is national and he unfortunately is the leader.
For the record, Trudeau met with all of the premiers numerous times to discuss strategy and the importance of a united front. This has been reported widely.
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