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Old 01-15-2025, 06:26 AM   #17981
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There were a lot of people wrong on the internet yesterday.
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Old 01-15-2025, 07:17 AM   #17982
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And one of them was wrong 56 times
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Old 01-15-2025, 07:20 AM   #17983
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No allegations, the people should know who a possible future PM choses to spend time with.

Spoiler: it's not a chance meeting either, Mrs Carney sister is her bestie (apparently)

Also we don't want double standards around these parts, do we?
Are you sure you want to judge politicians based on the photos that are available without context around them?

For your spoiler it appears you are grossly overstating the relationship based on reported information. Care to back up that statement?
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Old 01-15-2025, 07:38 AM   #17984
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Pierre was photographed hanging out with the leader of a violent extremist group that plotted murder against RCMP officers and made comments about raping his wife. Despite publicly condemning the group for the comments made about his wife, he hung out with them AGAIN after the fact (just last year).

If we care about photos, that is.
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Old 01-15-2025, 08:04 AM   #17985
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Watched the Carney Stewart interview. Mark is going to wipe the floor with PP in a debate. Dude is sharp and knows what to say. I think once Canadians get to know him there are gonna be a lot of voters comparing him to PP, and it's not gonna look good. Dude has the financial chops to shred PP's three word slogans to pieces. Really worth watching if you don't know much about him right now.
Liberals wouldn't have courted Mark Carney for over a decade, even over Trudeau, if he wasn't an eloquent speaker.

Michael Ignatieff also was an incredible speaker, and incredibly sharp, examples below.

https://www.cpac.ca/headline-politic...8-89fe9948804d



The problem comes when it falls apart like at 57:00 when Layton questions Ignatieff about Ignatieff having the worst attendance in parliament and getting a promotion. And Ignatieff, for all his obvious faults, still was an elected MP for 5 years at that point.

Carney is an unelected outsider becoming PM without a seat should he be chosen (something that was used against Smith provincially), has multiple citizenships (something used again Scheer), coming aboard a sinking ship. For all the hoopla about the demise of the PC party in 1993, they still got 16.04% of the votes, 3% difference from Ignatieff's Liberals, and 4% away from the current Liberals. This is the level of depth where we are right now.

These are all reasons why I don't understand his play now as these can all be fixed with time, unless this is the Liberal core trying to stop Freeland from securing leadership at all cost as she has fallen out of favour and it's incredibly difficult to remove a Liberal leader once selected.

Also...you used the "get to know him" line with Poilievre before to show how the CPC will crumble once Canadians know him, and look what has happened since. Maybe the rest of Canadians don't necessarily see eye to eye and may not flock to Carney as you think they would when he's leader of a deeply unpopular party while supported by the former leader and his office.

And...most Canadians don't watch debates, and those that do, are often only doing it to assert their own bias.

https://angusreid.org/44th-federal-e...bate-reaction/



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Canadians love it when their elites come back home from decades overseas to parachute into three PM job.

Carney has been putting himself in the public eye for decades and there are plenty of clip-able videos of him the Conservatives can use to paint him as out of touch
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Did you watch the Carney Stewart interview? What did you honestly think? Because I came away saying I'd vote for him no matter what party he is leading. He could easily get me to vote Conservative. He's a smart man, with a good track record, originally appointed by Harper. Most importantly, I trust him a lot more than Pierre to get us through economic troubles, because he understand issues deeper than three word slogans.



If he was running to lead the Conservatives vs Pierre, say, in their last leadership run, who would you have picked, and why?
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Carney is a professional, as you say. But he's also a much more extreme ideologue than you would think from his outward demeanor.
What’s his extreme ideology?
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Canadians love it when their elites come back home from decades overseas to parachute into three PM job.

Carney has been putting himself in the public eye for decades and there are plenty of clip-able videos of him the Conservatives can use to paint him as out of touch

Decades? He left the Bank of Canada in 2012.
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Did you watch the Carney Stewart interview? What did you honestly think? Because I came away saying I'd vote for him no matter what party he is leading. He could easily get me to vote Conservative. He's a smart man, with a good track record, originally appointed by Harper. Most importantly, I trust him a lot more than Pierre to get us through economic troubles, because he understand issues deeper than three word slogans.



If he was running to lead the Conservatives vs Pierre, say, in their last leadership run, who would you have picked, and why?
Justin's primary problem was that he has a low IQ and functioned as a puppet for the Butts and Guilbeaults of the world.

Carneys primary problem is that he is misguided and was the originator of policies we now know are destructive and deeply unpopular. Turns out you can be both very smart and very wrong.

As for a PP vs Carney leadership competition, I don't agree with the premise of the question. Carney's vision is wildly incondistent with anything the Conservative membership and base wants.

Turns out we will likely have that choice in an election however.
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That whole Carney interview is strange. Why did he get the opportunity to do that interview? John Stewart typically have unannounced leader candidates from other countries on his show? Most of the interview is incredibly cringe worthy. Rehearsed questions, rehearsed answers designed to try and show some level of personality. More acting, exactly what we dont need in Canadian politics.
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Pierre was photographed hanging out with the leader of a violent extremist group that plotted murder against RCMP officers and made comments about raping his wife. Despite publicly condemning the group for the comments made about his wife, he hung out with them AGAIN after the fact (just last year).

If we care about photos, that is.
If you are talking about the Diagolon guy his charges were stayed or withdrawn.
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That whole Carney interview is strange. Why did he get the opportunity to do that interview? John Stewart typically have unannounced leader candidates from other countries on his show? Most of the interview is incredibly cringe worthy. Rehearsed questions, rehearsed answers designed to try and show some level of personality. More acting, exactly what we dont need in Canadian politics.
Why does anyone get an appearance on the Daily Show? The producers think the audience will like it and the guest wants publicity. I expect the publicity around Trudeau’s resignation, and all Trump’s talk about tariffs and taking over Canada, made Canadian politics topical with Stewart’s audience. Is it any different from Jordan Peterson’s interview with Poilievre? Or all the various political figures who have appeared on Joe Rogan over the years?
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Justin's primary problem was that he has a low IQ and functioned as a puppet for the Butts and Guilbeaults of the world.

Carneys primary problem is that he is misguided and was the originator of policies we now know are destructive and deeply unpopular. Turns out you can be both very smart and very wrong.

As for a PP vs Carney leadership competition, I don't agree with the premise of the question. Carney's vision is wildly incondistent with anything the Conservative membership and base wants.

Turns out we will likely have that choice in an election however.
I admittedly don't know him well, but that interview was very good and a breath of fresh air.
He came across as the level headed, sensible adult that centre leaning Canadians like myself have been asking for.

Someone well suited to navigate the difficult financial times we are in, trade issues with the US and manage environmental policies that don't martyr us economically (like JT).

I was all for PP taking over from JT/Freeland, but that gave me pause. Maybe he is a better option for voters like me?
It's a shame he has to be under the Liberal banner at this time when that banner is so damaged.

Early days, it's just one interview.
Can you explain to me why my vote should go to PP and that Carney policies that are so damaging?
You haven't given any examples of his vision, or destructive policies?

I am truly one of those people who's vote would be up for grabs in a PP vs MC election, so tell me.
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That whole Carney interview is strange. Why did he get the opportunity to do that interview? John Stewart typically have unannounced leader candidates from other countries on his show? Most of the interview is incredibly cringe worthy. Rehearsed questions, rehearsed answers designed to try and show some level of personality. More acting, exactly what we dont need in Canadian politics.

Because Trump made Canadian politics a big thing all of a sudden and we’re in the public eye. That doesn’t seem weird or strange at all given the circumstances.
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Unless im mistaken, Jordan Peterson is at least Canadian, and interviewing the leader of Conservative Party. Joe Rogan, American interviewing American politicians. Is Jon Stewart really into Canadian politics? Is Carney a big player thats going to draw some great audience participation in the US?
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I admittedly don't know him well, but that interview was very good and a breath of fresh air.
He came across as the level headed, sensible adult that centre leaning Canadians like myself have been asking for.

Someone well suited to navigate the difficult financial times we are in, trade issues with the US and manage environmental policies that don't martyr us economically (like JT).

I was all for PP taking over from JT/Freeland, but that gave me pause. Maybe he is a better option for voters like me?
It's a shame he has to be under the Liberal banner at this time when that banner is so damaged.

Early days, it's just one interview.
Can you explain to me why my vote should go to PP and that Carney policies that are so damaging?
You haven't given any examples of his vision, or destructive policies?

I am truly one of those people who's vote would be up for grabs in a PP vs MC election, so tell me.
I think you might be misguided or have the wrong impression of Carney when it comes to environment policy and the impact it will have on the resource economy up here. He wants to aggressively shutdown the carbon economy.
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Unless im mistaken, Jordan Peterson is at least Canadian, and interviewing the leader of Conservative Party. Joe Rogan, American interviewing American politicians. Is Jon Stewart really into Canadian politics? Is Carney a big player thats going to draw some great audience participation in the US?
And Peterson and O'Leary are Canadians talking about Canadian politics on US media every day.
What are gong on about ???
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Unless im mistaken, Jordan Peterson is at least Canadian, and interviewing the leader of Conservative Party. Joe Rogan, American interviewing American politicians. Is Jon Stewart really into Canadian politics? Is Carney a big player thats going to draw some great audience participation in the US?

Maybe other guys declined the offer to appear on Stewart. Fox News has interviewed Canadian politicians a lot recently. Any objections to that?
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