[PGT] Flames 5 - Hawks 2 - The Kids are Alright

[ForeverFlameFan]

This is why you don’t trade picks away Willy Nilly for depth players.

Love what Conroy has done as GM, and happy all the youngsters are getting an opportunity to show what they can do. It makes the future makeup of this roster easier to assemble.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

lol I have been sick for 3 weeks now can’t shake whatever virus is going around. Can’t sleep.

I'm more or less in the same boat. Slipped and fell and cracked my head. They said I shouldn't sleep as though I have some sort of choice in the matter.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

This is why you don’t trade picks away Willy Nilly for depth players.

Love what Conroy has done as GM, and happy all the youngsters are getting an opportunity to show what they can do. It makes the future makeup of this roster easier to assemble.

Watching the endless stream of picks flowing out to shore up the bottom half of the roster had to be one of the most frustrating things about the tre era.

For the first time as a flams fan of fourty years this is maybe the best the franchise has ever looked from a sheer assets standpoint.

[musth]

Dont the ALR usually end with oiler tear comments?


Haven't seen those for a while...

[FireGilbert]

Nice to have a win with a stress free 3rd for once. The Flames learned their lesson after the previous Hawks game.

At the start of the season Chicago would have penciled in the Calgary games as winnable. Instead they go 0-3 being out scored 14-7.

Huge game from Sharangovich who has barely played centre this season and was asked to play between 2 Wranglers call ups. 2 points, +4, 50% on face offs, and a well deserved first star.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No you stick to the plan. Getting this team help would be short sighted. A playoff series is much different than a Monday night regular season game. We won’t be #### stomping Chicago.

Treliving went out and got help after the last fluke playoff and we ended up picking Tkachuk the next season. And Hamonic a season later that probably sewered the team. He was given Gaudreau/Monny/Bennett/Gio/Brodie. A much better group than he left Conorybwith.

Cap floor isn’t an issue. We have 5 RFA to sign and at least 3 of them will get big deals and the other 2 should eat up another 7-8.

The only player I would be happy with is McTavish but I still don't really buy the rumours that the Ducks want to trade him

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This last stretch they have quietly phased out Vladar into a backup.

And as long as they are in the playoff race, they will keep giving Wolf the starters workload, is my guess.

They cut the season in half, by managing them 50/50, giving Wolf the chance to acclimatize to the NHL. Now he has built some confidence, and they can crank it up, without worry of burning him out or overwhelming him.

They have really handled him fantastically. And he has taken it and run. It really is the equivalent of a top 5 pick - only an elite #1 would be more impactful.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think a big part of that is how they've been brought along by pros like Backs and Coleman. Helps them learn to play the right way as they get up to speed. Now we're starting to see their skill a lot more frequently as the rest of the game becomes second nature

This cannot be overstated. Having Backlund and Coleman and Weegar (and others) is massive for these kids to learn how to be good pros.

You can talk about Huska's systems all you want, but with respect to managing the kids, and building a team environment, he and the coaching staff have done a terrific job - he's definitely the right coach for the situation.

And Conroy too - he's done a terrific job of moving the vets that need to move or don't want to be here, and keeping the ones that are leading the team by example.

The other factor here is the prospects on the Wranglers and in junior - they're looking at Pelletier, and Kerins, and Coronato, and (if they have a brain in their head) they're thinking: if they can do it I can do it, and if I work hard, the team will give me a shot.

Regardless of the skill level, this team is in a good place. And the kids are benefitting from that in so many ways.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That 5 minute penalty was a real tester after they scored early. Could easily have been a different game if they get another, but that was a very clutch shorty and the Flames tightened up the PK a lot after the goal. PKs efficiency should be based on minutes assessed. The Flames won’t get credit for any kill there.

Yes they will - that 5 minuter will officially go down as 1 for 2

On a 5 minute PP, if they score, it starts a 2nd PP and if they score again, it counts as a 3rd, etc.

I remember once, the Jets scored 4 goals and thus ended up 4 for 5 and I thought that seemed kind of unfair - hard to imagine doing much better than scoring 4 goals, and you're still not perfect (whereas scoring on a 2 minute PP is a perfect 1 for 1)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think a big part of that is how they've been brought along by pros like Backs and Coleman. Helps them learn to play the right way as they get up to speed. Now we're starting to see their skill a lot more frequently as the rest of the game becomes second nature

Thank god Conroy is our GM. Other GM’s might have tried to trade a bunch of the vets in a desperate attempt to get a bunch of top picks. Conroy actually knows how to build a team and what is necessary for your young talent to succeed.

You can add Weegar and Anderson to that list as well along with Kadri and Huberdeau. There is no real reason for Conroy to deviate from his approach to not trade guys until the final year or their contract or until he has a clear individual ready to ascent to the position (like with Wolf). Selling guys to just try to be bad at hockey actually tells your team they should be bad at hockey.

Thankfully Conroy has a coherent plan to run a hockey club and is executing it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes they will - that 5 minuter will officially go down as 1 for 2

On a 5 minute PP, if they score, it starts a 2nd PP and if they score again, it counts as a 3rd, etc.

I remember once, the Jets scored 4 goals and thus ended up 4 for 5 and I thought that seemed kind of unfair - hard to imagine doing much better than scoring 4 goals, and you're still not perfect (whereas scoring on a 2 minute PP is a perfect 1 for 1)

Really?

How did I never know this????

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes they will - that 5 minuter will officially go down as 1 for 2

On a 5 minute PP, if they score, it starts a 2nd PP and if they score again, it counts as a 3rd, etc.

I remember once, the Jets scored 4 goals and thus ended up 4 for 5 and I thought that seemed kind of unfair - hard to imagine doing much better than scoring 4 goals, and you're still not perfect (whereas scoring on a 2 minute PP is a perfect 1 for 1)

Okay, I'm not trying to start a fight here, I just...its odd and kind of interesting. You seem to know what you're talking about, I just wanted a little more info.

So you get a 5 minute Major, thats what you're talking about right?

My understanding is that...you can score as many goals as you can in that 5 minutes. A goal does not negate a penalty on a Major. Is that right? Goals dont end the penalty like on a normal 5-on-4 two minute minor? One team is going to be 5-on-4 for 5 minutes period, unless an additional penalty is either drawn or committed.

Now, how they record the stats for all that I will admit to being genuinely unsure.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Huska has done a great job but the Flames stuck the kids with way better vets.

Imagine Bedard with backs and Coleman vs coligny and bertuzzi. Or Bedard with zary.. we wouldn't need zary at center paired with Bedard. The hawks d is either super young or older guys that never lived to the hype like seth Jones who already is 30 ( which surprised me).
Point is I now see the Flames are closer to being a retool vs rebuild.

Hawks fans absolutely hate Coligny.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay, I'm not trying to start a fight here, I just...its odd and kind of interesting. You seem to know what you're talking about, I just wanted a little more info.

So you get a 5 minute Major, thats what you're talking about right?

My understanding is that...you can score as many goals as you can in that 5 minutes. A goal does not negate a penalty on a Major. Is that right? Goals dont end the penalty like on a normal 5-on-4 two minute minor? One team is going to be 5-on-4 for 5 minutes period, unless an additional penalty is either drawn or committed.

Now, how they record the stats for all that I will admit to being genuinely unsure.

Yes, you can score as many as you are able, on the 5 minute PP. We are just talking stats here.

But if you think about it, it is statistically challenging to say you went 3 for 1 - it really doesn't make sense. So they went with the system I described: if you score, you go 1 for 2. If you score again, you go 2 for 3, and so on.

I have never seen it happen, but I suppose if you scored at the last second, you would end up 1 for 1, but if there is even a second left, you go 1 for 2.

It is an interesting statistical quirk.

Edit: just checked the game sheet and the Flames were officially 50% (1 for 2) on the PK, with Pospisil being the only penalties called.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It is really amazing how far Coronato's game has evolved since even the start of last season. That extra time in the AHL coupled with being a mainstay now on the Backlund line has made him look and feel like a vet out there. Solid 200ft player with high IQ, a lethal shot, poise, speed, physicality and a surprising playmaker.



Pelletier is an NHL'er now. Glad we didn't lose him to waivers. No idea where his ceiling is, but I like his game and speed. He makes a lot of plays at speed, which really helps when the team is playing an uptempo style. Hard not to laugh at his scream when he scored both goals tonight. That's infectious.

Rory "The Magnificent One" Kerins. Who does this kid think he i dishing the puck after he gains the zone, drives forward to the net and takes Jones' stick with him (as if Jones needs any help screwing up!), and drives hard to the net for 2nd opportunities/screens - on his first NHL shift? This kid kept showing an ability to make plays both with and without the puck. He has really high IQ. He was obviously lost out there on some plays - for instance, on a rim-around on the offensive zone, I think he was supposed to go behind the net, but didn't recognize the play (or at least, as it seemed to me). However, this kid showed really well. Not 'I got a lucky second assist that had nothing to do with the play" type of showing - he did things right with and without the puck. Really eye-opening for me. Looking forward to seeing what else this kid brings.


Flames in their last rebuild mostly brought kids up the right way. For all the flack that Hartley takes (some of it earned, some of it not), young guys often showed really well, even young guys that didn't end up as NHL'ers that I thought would (like Granlund and his A+ shot, Horak with his 2-way non-stop motor, Wotherspoon showing well in limited games, etc). The difference between Huska and Hartley to me is that Huska is doing things without losing the respect of the vets. He isn't dividing the room (if you believe things from Stajan's perspective anyway).



Huska won't get it, but at this point, he deserves a lot of Jack Adams nods. I would say Carbery - barring some kind of a nosedive in the back half of this season - has that locked up, but Huska should get some votes here. I don't look at the Jack Adams as an award that gets coaches fired. Often a coach will take a team to an unexpected stratosphere, and when it comes down to earth, it often crashes, and he loses his job along with it. Sometimes it is just a matter of coincidence - some coaches can extract blood from a stone, but their methods lead to madness, and they end up with a short shelf life. Huska is a refreshing breath of fresh air. I have likened him to Jon Cooper, and I stand behind that comparison. This is an intelligent and well-spoken coach who is both fair and willing to sit and scratch players based on performance, and gets the most out of this team.

Best way I can summarize Huska's body of work at this point: He is squeezing blood from a stone, but not bleeding the players dry in the process.



Fun game to kick-start the 2nd half of the season!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That 5 minute penalty was a real tester after they scored early. Could easily have been a different game if they get another, but that was a very clutch shorty and the Flames tightened up the PK a lot after the goal. PKs efficiency should be based on minutes assessed. The Flames won’t get credit for any kill there.

Yep, I'd like to see PP and PK efficiency measured as a rate. Goal per x minutes. Measured separately for 1 and 2 man PP's.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm more or less in the same boat. Slipped and fell and cracked my head. They said I shouldn't sleep as though I have some sort of choice in the matter.

This explains a LOT!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by jg13

The entire ATL is Chicago complaining about Jones lol

Iso-camming on Jones on the below Flames goals will tell you why!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1878983202460533019

https://twitter.com/user/status/1878989559897456887

[Bonded]

Jones might be worse than Nurse

[activeStick]

The Bean goal in particular, pay attention to Jones the moment Sharangovich gets the puck in the slot... LOL. Completely in no man's land covering nobody, then trying to adjust forward to get closer to Sharangovich, who lets the shot go at the same moment, shot goes wide, Jones is skating around alone in front of Mrazek as he watches Bean fire the rebound in...