Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

That retoric isn’t Canadian. Well not for a while. We have a rich history of tolerating separatists, and a PM who used to bragg about a post national Canada.

Interesting to see how those chickens are coming home to roost.

It’s kind of funny how Quebec seems to be both the greatest envy and greatest enemy of a very specific kind of Albertan.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Per the Canadian constitution, pipelines crossing provincial boundaries are exclusively the jurisdiction of the federal government. It’s Canada’s overregulated constant hoops that allows everybody and their dog to challenge projects. Is that what made these projects not viable, maybe, but probably not. But none of us have any clue how much elongated cycle times due to regulatory overburden and potential constant legal challenges played a role in making the numbers not work. Just wanted to point out that (as per usual), you’re incorrect when you say that this had nothing to do with the feds.

If this was the US, the Army Corp of Engineers would walk in and tell everyone to #### off because this was their jurisdiction and they’ll do whatever they want. There’s no way you can possibly say Canada has an efficient regulatory process.

That’s just not true about the us, getting linear infrastructure approved there is almost as arduous, full of court challenges etc.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This thread is becoming epic.

Keep it going!!!

LOL

Gotta side with transplant99 here, there is a lot of really dumb poorly thought out takes in this thread. Some that make one laugh out loud, in capitals!! This one from last month is noteworthy

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its amazing that JT has taken the LPC from a majority to 2 minorities to very possibly finishing 4th in the next election.

8 ministers resigning within a 6 month period.

PP, Singh and now Blanchette all calling for a resignation.

At least 3 caucus members publicly saying he has to go....just today.

The narcissism required to ignore all that is something of legend.

Trudeau took a party from 34 seats in the 2011 election to 184 in the 2015 election, his first as party leader and of course Prime Minister. Is 184 more than 34?

It's strange you didn't start with that. Your post presents it like Trudeau took over a powerhouse when in actuality the LPC was circling the drain before him. He's leaving it in a mess, because of his arrogance but it's that same arrogance that brought them back from the sewer in the first place.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Didn't see this posted yet. No time to make fixes I guess.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...risk-1.7424035

That’s concerning

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

That’s just not true about the us, getting linear infrastructure approved there is almost as arduous, full of court challenges etc.

It’s the US, everyone litigates, but the regulatory process is definitely not as arduous, and the approval process takes nowhere near as long as it does in Canada. You look at the projects that had some of these “issues”, and none of them compare to how drawn out something like TMX was with the back and forth with unconstitutional legal challenges and need for re-approvals, etc.

Despite all of the other issues, KXL would have gotten built if Biden didn’t come into power and kill it (remember the argument was that the feds couldn’t control things in Canada)

DAPL had more press and legal crap than anything Canada had, and it got proposed and built in like 3 years.

Line 5 has had constant state challenges and issues, but federal courts there keep shooting them down and allowing the pipeline to continue.

You cannot be serious when you say that the US is just as bad as Canada. Bill C-69 by itself is an atrocious piece of legislation that basically was intentionally designed to slow major infrastructure projects down to a halt.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Capital Gain Changes killed by today's announcement
https://financialpost.com/personal-f...ns-tax-changes

Nope!

https://www.thestar.com/business/cra...1f080e14a.html

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

It’s the US, everyone litigates, but the regulatory process is definitely not as arduous, and the approval process takes nowhere near as long as it does in Canada. You look at the projects that had some of these “issues”, and none of them compare to how drawn out something like TMX was with the back and forth with unconstitutional legal challenges and need for re-approvals, etc.

Despite all of the other issues, KXL would have gotten built if Biden didn’t come into power and kill it (remember the argument was that the feds couldn’t control things in Canada)

DAPL had more press and legal crap than anything Canada had, and it got proposed and built in like 3 years.

Line 5 has had constant state challenges and issues, but federal courts there keep shooting them down and allowing the pipeline to continue.

You cannot be serious when you say that the US is just as bad as Canada. Bill C-69 by itself is an atrocious piece of legislation that basically was intentionally designed to slow major infrastructure projects down to a halt.

I said almost as arduous. Enbridge Line 3 replacement was tied up for years, line 5 tunnel is plodding along. Gas pipes in the east have been bogged down and canceled. It’s not easy down there either and there’s tons of risk unless you are in Texas or a few other states.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nope!

https://www.thestar.com/business/cra...1f080e14a.html

Oh ####.

I've run into this before. This is going to be a nightmare. CRA can do whatever they want, but without Royal Assent this is limbo.

They've done this before, but not with something as intrinsic as Capital Gains.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh ####.

I've run into this before. This is going to be a nightmare. CRA can do whatever they want, but without Royal Assent this is limbo.

They've done this before, but not with something as intrinsic as Capital Gains.

"Not so fast!" Haha, man tax time is going to drive some people crazy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

It’s the US, everyone litigates, but the regulatory process is definitely not as arduous, and the approval process takes nowhere near as long as it does in Canada. You look at the projects that had some of these “issues”, and none of them compare to how drawn out something like TMX was with the back and forth with unconstitutional legal challenges and need for re-approvals, etc.

Despite all of the other issues, KXL would have gotten built if Biden didn’t come into power and kill it (remember the argument was that the feds couldn’t control things in Canada)

DAPL had more press and legal crap than anything Canada had, and it got proposed and built in like 3 years.

Line 5 has had constant state challenges and issues, but federal courts there keep shooting them down and allowing the pipeline to continue.

You cannot be serious when you say that the US is just as bad as Canada. Bill C-69 by itself is an atrocious piece of legislation that basically was intentionally designed to slow major infrastructure projects down to a halt.

They had a referendum on building power lines from Quebec to Maine that failed.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by edslunch

That’s concerning

It's not like non-Canadian citizens can have a say with who immediately becomes . . . oh. Nevermind.

A high trust society dealing with low trust people and foreign actors.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its like Lord of the Flies in here.

Who's Piggy?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Who's Piggy?

You know who Piggy is.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think they will make a deal, but if you're going to play the left-wing populist card, you have to make it look like PP doesn't actually give a crap about the working class and is going to make health care more inaccessible and unaffordable (which he probably will).

Just think of how much extra money the Feds could transfer to the provinces for health care is they weren’t paying massive amounts of interest on our ballooning debt.

Now more than $109,000,000.00 per day.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Haven't weighed in on the news.

Only two words need to be said: Good Riddance

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

But I'll admit the timing of it is terrible. It's like one last screw job from him after everything else he's done.

We need solidarity and leadership when Trump takes office.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

The comments by Trump are shocking, but at the same time I am surprised he doesn't speak more about the fact that the US has been bailing out Canada for decades with the defence of North America. Fact is our military has gone to shambles and no government has done anything about it, and the joke has always been 'oh the US will protect us.'

Really strange though that it isn't talked about by the US and people in the Trump administration, because they'd actually have a point.

Also, still don't see the economic benefit to the US of merging economies, the dollar, etc.

But, Trump isn't being realistic with this. So I guess I should be thinking illogically as well to see what on earth he is talking about.

The only true subsidy I see is on the military side. Everything else Canada is a massive benefit to the US because of the exchange rate and our natural resources.

It's a funny dynamic because in a way, Canada's security is at least just as important to the U.S. as it is to Canada. I think Canada would do quite fine as a neutral country. Playing both sides of the table has it's positives as both sides ply you with favourable treatment for your favour. During the cold war, some countries really benefited from that. But having a massive neutral country on their border would be a security risk for them, say if Canada decided to allow competitors an advantage. On the flip side, being an aligned country as Canada is, brings a certain amount of danger and makes us an automatic enemy to some countries.

Originally Posted by Wormius

When was the last time US protected Canada. They were a pretty ####ty partner when the 2 Michael’s were kidnapped by China when we did their bidding for them. Really supportive.

Or like when Canada arrested Meng Wanzhou mainly because the U.S. wanted us to, then they just shrugged their shoulders and let us twist in the wind. Not that I sympathize with China one bit, but it put us in a bad spot for sure.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Gotta side with transplant99 here, there is a lot of really dumb poorly thought out takes in this thread. Some that make one laugh out loud, in capitals!! This one from last month is noteworthy


Trudeau took a party from 34 seats in the 2011 election to 184 in the 2015 election, his first as party leader and of course Prime Minister. Is 184 more than 34?

It's strange you didn't start with that. Your post presents it like Trudeau took over a powerhouse when in actuality the LPC was circling the drain before him. He's leaving it in a mess, because of his arrogance but it's that same arrogance that brought them back from the sewer in the first place.

Take it anyway you like, i could not care less. Never said anything of the sort, but you do you.

Fact remains, JT went from the white knight who was going to lead Canada (well most of it) to the promised land to black face and an almost destruction of one of the oldest institutions in this country.

The mental gymnastics required to try and defend the complete clown show his reign of incompetence has been, is mind bottling.

Where do you think he will rank among PM's when the smoke clears and look back upon his time in say....10 years?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Why aren't our politicians doubling down on California and Dem states becoming Provinces? Keep repeating it like he does.

Play the same game as him. He's a damn clown, so play along with him and be absurd.

Please don’t add California to Canada. They are the most messed up region in north america.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just so you're brain doesn't short circuit when election results come out, you do realize polls are a snapshot of voter sentiment at a point in time, right? And that these sentiments can quickly change as situations change, because not every voter who may have answered yes to PP in December 2024 is going to vote that way? I understand it's a tough concept for single party simpleton voters to grasp, but in short, things change. Not everyone is a locked in idiot, so your thanking of God for that is very premature.

Your right.

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