Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I just wish everyone would give PP a chance before writing him off, and saying he's not fit for the role of Prime Minister. That's the part of partisan politics I loathe in 2025, where people are so quick to write off candidates before seeing what they can do. I think the majority of votes gave Trudeau his opportunity for "real change" coming out of Harper's term as PM. Trudeau was given the mandate as majority leader in 2015. Many progressives voting for Trudeau, after reading the tea leaves and agreeing change was needed. Yet in 2025 so many are willing to throw politicians under the bus without even giving them a day in office.

This isn't a Trump situation where they already had four years to base his Presidency on. PP may not be the warmest character in the political realm, but I would hope Canadians at least give him that same chance Trudeau had before they judge his impeding tenure as PM.

You judge someone by their words and deeds, in politicians that means their education and career achievements, by that measure alone, even judged against previous Conservative/Reform leaders PP is a useless dingbat who will screw us through his clear lack of gravitas, he's a none too bright party hack who has spent his whole life within the Tory/Reform Party, he has barely an education and no non party experience in life, if you think Trudeau is a lightweight he is positively Einstein compared to Poilievre

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Now, its bad he did?

No. It's fantastic that he did and he sucks.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I think that they want to just have an election when the Liberal Party is at their weakest and a manner that will ensure a massive victory. I don't view politics as I do a sport though, and I think that will serve to harm democracy. Has a major political party ever entered an election without a leader? Do we think that the CPC wouldn't trigger an election at the earliest possible time? A strong government requires a strong opposition as a means of a check and balance.

Well, while you're probably not wrong, and I agree that Politics shouldnt be viewed as a 'Team Sport,' as a Canadian I'd like an effective, elected Government sitting when Senor Trump waltzes back to his throne.

Trump is going to re-take America and in Canada, essentially? Nobody is home.

For months.

I dont care which party anyone prefers, but thats a really big gap, especially when within the context of the threatened Tariffs and other potential Foreign Policies...the Barbarians might well be at the Gates and nobody is manning the walls.

I hate to say it, but I think the people who feel that Trudeau should have done this months ago...they have a point. If he actually cared about Canada and Canadians, having a strong Government in position is whats best for us, especially within consideration of our biggest trading partner, neighbor and part-time psychopath having a wee 'Changing of the Guard.'

Yes, it likely would have come at the detriment of the Liberals. Well...who made that bed? The same person who shat in it.

It just kills me that for months we're going to have that absolute southern Clown Show walk all over us because nobody is in charge. Once again Canada is just too stupid for it's own good.

For Trudeau its great. He gets to kick his feet up, do less than the barely anything he was already doing, collect his paycheque and just genuinely not GAF for the next few months. Thats not a bad gig.

For the rest of us though? Less than ideal.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Don't count on it. Look at Edmonton as an example. A well liked, centrist James Cumming, who has won the seat before, was booted out by his constituency board in favor of a hard line new age Conservative Sayid Ahmed, who's website contains gems like: "Yet liberal elites beholden to woke agendas stand in the way of this progress. They turn to the dirtiest tricks and ugliest playbooks to slow down the movement and stall the advancement of conservatism."

Sayid won after massive support from the party leadership (notably being toted around by Michael Cooper). So, more polarized seems to be the play.

Well that kind of stuff might play well(especially in this province) right now, but once you’re in power and failing to make things better the opinions can change in a hurry.

To be honest I’ve been surprised based on some private conversations that I’ve had with a number of conservative supporters and some MPs as I think there is a bit stronger of a sense of “don’t mess this up” than the party leads people to believe publicly.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t move on much but at the same time I wouldn’t be shocked if they did, so I hope that they do. It would force their opposition to moderate as well and I think everyone would agree that’s a good thing for Canada.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I understood the prorogue move from a strategy perspective (don't like it, but understood it), but this is a really key point which didn't initially cross my mind. Canada is going to be a rudderless ship for the majority of the new US Administrations first 100 days. Feel like we're sitting ducks.

Other than hopping in a time machine and doing this a year ago, I don't know which of the available options would have been any better?

What else could he have done?

• Called an election today for the end of February?
  
  
• Spend the next couple of weeks trying to make a deal with the NDP to keep this government functional?
  
  
• Hang on until losing a no confidence vote in a few weeks, followed by an election in March?

Are any of those any better than what we have now? Making a deal with the NDP to stay in power is a more stable option, is it a better option? The other two options lead to an election campaign during Trump's first 100 days, which would arguably be worse than a lame duck PM.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I just wish everyone would give PP a chance before writing him off, and saying he's not fit for the role of Prime Minister. That's the part of partisan politics I loathe in 2025, where people are so quick to write off candidates before seeing what they can do. I think the majority of votes gave Trudeau his opportunity for "real change" coming out of Harper's term as PM. Trudeau was given the mandate as majority leader in 2015. Many progressives voted for Trudeau, after reading the tea leaves and agreeing change was needed. Yet in 2025 so many are willing to throw politicians under the bus without even giving them a day in office.

This isn't a Trump situation where they already had four years to base his Presidency on. PP may not be the warmest character in the political realm, but I would hope Canadians at least give him that same chance Trudeau had before they judge his impeding tenure as PM.

There were plenty of people who would never give a Trudeau a chance when we first took office too.
Many Canadians can't wait for PP to take office and are more than willing, actually very excited to give him a chance.

If you step away from the internet, things aren't really that different in 2025.
The main difference is you're hearing the loud voices more; but they were there from each past PM as well.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ok, whatever man. It was much more than a typo. You expect him to soften his tone despite all evidence to the contrary. I just don't understand this way of thinking, because it's how you end up voting for someone who is against your own best interests, but you've convinced yourself they will be otherwise.


Will it be interesting if he does change? Sure, because he'd be in a fairly unique class of politicians. We call them unicorns.

Would you like me to draw you a map Fuzz? I asked the question if his tone changes, followed it up with stating I hoped it did not, and corrected myself and admitted to my error. there is nothing else to say. Your Vendetta is laughable.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I've been promised easy, common sense fixes.

Axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget, stop crime!

Did you guys all get the same email?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Wait, everyone was calling for Trudeau to resign.

Now, its bad he did?

It's a timing thing. It's a good thing he did, but the way they are doing it is potentially the most damaging to Canada while trying to protect their own interests.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Well that kind of stuff might play well(especially in this province) right now, but once you’re in power and failing to make things better the opinions can change in a hurry.

To be honest I’ve been surprised based on some private conversations that I’ve had with a number of conservative supporters and some MPs as I think there is a bit stronger of a sense of “don’t mess this up” than the party leads people to believe publicly.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t move on much but at the same time I wouldn’t be shocked if they did, so I hope that they do. It would force their opposition to moderate as well and I think everyone would agree that’s a good thing for Canada.

I agree that it would be the best move for all Canadians, and a good thing for Canada. I just don't think it's realistic to expect them to moderate based on how they're acting right now.

I also agree that's the vibe I am getting too. But it may be the circles we are part of are composed of the centrist conservatives.

[Hot_Flatus]

This should have happened months ago but thankfully it has happened at all. What's sad about this is that this is going to now drag out for weeks with no real governance for another three months plus however long it takes for an election after that....

Interesting how there is little said about the move to prorogue parliament this time, yet when the Conservatives did it under Harper, you could have sworn someone stomped on someone's cat with the media circus that ensued.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

More.

The liberal party is not a viable option.



I want a strong Liberal Party, but they don't have that in them currently. They need to learn from a massive loss, and build themselves back up, and realize how massively they have failed their country.

So you would vote for the Reform Party with their mini Trump Republican leader. Sounds reasonable. When is your shift at the PetroCan?

[Monahammer]

Arguably this is the worst time possible to prorogue parliament. We have a beligerent demigog inheriting office TODAY in the United States, and he's already publicly stated he hates us and either wants to conquer us or impose economy destroying tariffs on us. AND we now have a lame duck leader with no real power to negotiate with him. It's an absolute unmitigated disaster for Canada.

Meanwhile we also have wealthy canadians publicly pitching us for statehood to this maniac. This is the recipe for some WEIRD #### to happen.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Unfortunately we won’t recover quickly. It will take many years to recover.

Are we still hoping the budget will balance itself?

Get ready to stand in line at 7-11 for 20 mins while your bitcoin purchase goes through!

[Torture]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I just wish everyone would give PP a chance before writing him off, and saying he's not fit for the role of Prime Minister. That's the part of partisan politics I loathe in 2025, where people are so quick to write off candidates before seeing what they can do. I think the majority of votes gave Trudeau his opportunity for "real change" coming out of Harper's term as PM. Trudeau was given the mandate as majority leader in 2015. Many progressives voted for Trudeau, after reading the tea leaves and agreeing change was needed. Yet in 2025 so many are willing to throw politicians under the bus without even giving them a day in office.

Odd that you would say he's being written off given that he's polling far and away in the lead. And he has a chance - it's called an election. The Liberals changing their leader doesn't take away his chance.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

What a rather typical obtuse and stupid comment.

Par on course coming from you.

Things must be hot and heavy down on Portage for you rightwingers. Sign up for a shift at the PetroCan here on highway 1 to get your message across!

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Arguably this is the worst time possible to prorogue parliament. We have a beligerent demigog inheriting office TODAY in the United States, and he's already publicly stated he hates us and either wants to conquer us or impose economy destroying tariffs on us. AND we now have a lame duck leader with no real power to negotiate with him. It's an absolute unmitigated disaster for Canada.

Meanwhile we also have wealthy canadians publicly pitching us for statehood to this maniac. This is the recipe for some WEIRD #### to happen.

Trudeau has been a lame duck leader with no real power internationally for a very long time. His entire tenure since the covid election has been an unmitigated disaster.

Also, if you're taking conquering Canada threats from Trump or anyone else seriously you should probably tap out on following politics now before it really turns up.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Trudeau has been a lame duck leader with no real power internationally for a very long time. His entire tenure since the covid election has been an unmitigated disaster.

Also, if you're taking conquering Canada threats from Trump or anyone else seriously you should probably tap out on following politics now before it really turns up.

Yeah, after leveraging everything he could for that UN Seat and then not getting it he basically stomped his feet and pounded his fists, threw a tantrum and then went on a slew of holidays to soothe his bruised ego.

Like when he went to all of those conferences because Canada is an 'International Leader' in this or that and all of the popular leaders wouldnt let him sit at their lunch table.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Voters have extremely short attention spans. Right now our options in Canada are pretty much pure garbage. Leaders and parties. Some of us are looking for a decent candidate, anybody, who we feel we can vote for who will properly represent the country and our interests.

I totally understand why conservative supporters are annoyed and want an election tomorrow to guarantee their party a majority. But if having an election in the fall means we have a decent/better option I think that’s a good thing. I get that politics now is a team sport for a lot of people, but some of us don’t care what party they’re from - we just want better options. Having a stronger Liberal party in this country is a good thing. We want stronger parties and leaders to choose from across the board, not terrible ones so our team wins just because they’re the best of the very worst.

Is that why the Liberals called an election during the pandemic, so the other parties were able to get themselves as prepared as possible? C’mon. If you don’t think that any party wouldn’t want to strike while their opposition is weak you are sadly mistaken.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Trudeau has been a lame duck leader with no real power internationally for a very long time. His entire tenure since the covid election has been an unmitigated disaster.

Also, if you're taking conquering Canada threats from Trump or anyone else seriously you should probably tap out on following politics now before it really turns up.

Username continues to represent what you post, kudos!

Perhaps you should take these threats more seriously, as we are bereft of leadership and do have actors in positions to make strange things happen. Look to our premier for more.