Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

There’s a lot of centrists like myself who have no space for an anti vax politician. The convoy supporters are a vocal fringe, the liberals will never win those votes.

I believe the votes to get the liberals to a minority opposition lie in the center. What does the average Canadian want? Similar services (slightly better) and an affordable cost of living. Let the middle left call you racist for reforming immigration, your job is to provide value to Canadians first and foremost. Let’s get back to that as our focus.

The Liberals have also already breached the immigration conversation and the main critique was not of them, but of why they werent being called racist for doing so (every accusation of racism was coming, tongue-in-cheek, from far right provocateurs unaware that you can address immigration without racism).

Stands to reason that the risk of a sudden reverse course here by the electorate is unlikely.

[Goriders]

Who is going to want to take the wheel of the SS Trudeau?

[Jacks]

Rosemary Barton looking a little misty eyed wanting to talk about Trudeaus legacy, asking the panel to talk about the great things the he did.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That party is the problem, not just Justin. That party needs an enema - and this leadership race won't do that. That will take years of reflection and course correction for them to come back stronger.

Take the obvious bias out of the equation and answer the question. Are you in favour of more viable options for your vote, or less?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’ll also ask you two (you and the person you’re responding to): as a voter, why wouldn’t you want more viable if not better options?

I think that they want to just have an election when the Liberal Party is at their weakest and a manner that will ensure a massive victory. I don't view politics as I do a sport though, and I think that will serve to harm democracy. Has a major political party ever entered an election without a leader? Do we think that the CPC wouldn't trigger an election at the earliest possible time? A strong government requires a strong opposition as a means of a check and balance.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Take the obvious bias out of the equation and answer the question. Are you in favour of more viable options for your vote, or less?

More.

The liberal party is not a viable option.

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I think that they want to just have an election when the Liberal Party is at their weakest and a manner that will ensure a massive victory. I don't view politics as I do a sport though, and I think that will serve to harm democracy. Has a major political party ever entered an election without a leader? Do we think that the CPC wouldn't trigger an election at the earliest possible time? A strong government requires a strong opposition as a means of a check and balance.

I want a strong Liberal Party, but they don't have that in them currently. They need to learn from a massive loss, and build themselves back up, and realize how massively they have failed their country.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

More.

The liberal party is not a viable option.

For you, but are still a major political party and the ruling government at that. Why would you not want them to have a leader before an election is called?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’ll also ask you two (you and the person you’re responding to): as a voter, why wouldn’t you want more viable if not better options?

Not who you asked, but the biggest reason to not wait is to get the current Liberal government out now. They're way past their expiration date. Waiting another 9 months so they can get their act together clearly benefits them, but Canadians want a new government and under the current system where he's lost the confidence of the house we're entitled to an election.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

More.

The liberal party is not a viable option.

Exactly, so it stands to reason that efforts to turn them into one ahead of the election is something we should all support. Not because it will change the tides necessarily, but because at very least (as Mustard pointed out) it forces other parties to step up. Rising tides and all that.

I get it if you just want a Conservative government and don’t care about anything else. But I’d like to see the CPC put a proper campaign together against as many viable opponents as possible.

[dieHARDflameZ]

It’s about time. Hopefully we recover quickly from the damage that arrogant prick has done.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

It’s about time. Hopefully we recover quickly from the damage that arrogant prick has done.

Unfortunately we won’t recover quickly. It will take many years to recover.

Are we still hoping the budget will balance itself?

[belsarius]

Maybe instead of proroguing they could have made a new supply and confidence agreement with the NDP. Until Oct the NDP will support the Liberals but Jagmeet gets to be PM! Pensions for everyone!

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Not who you asked, but the biggest reason to not wait is to get the current Liberal government out now. They're way past their expiration date. Waiting another 9 months so they can get their act together clearly benefits them, but Canadians want a new government and under the current system where he's lost the confidence of the house we're entitled to an election.

Where did the 9 months come from? Yes there should be an election but only after the liberal party has elected a new leader. Come March 24 I think that the Parliament should be dissolved with a new election cycle happening for the spring.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Where did the 9 months come from? Yes there should be an election but only after the liberal party has elected a new leader. Come March 24 I think that the Parliament should be dissolved with a new election cycle happening for the spring.

Its probably against parliamentary procedure, but it would have been best for the GG to say prorogue now, but parliament will dissolve as of March 25th.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What should he have done? He should have resigned earlier, likely last summer.

As much as people mock PP in this thread, the Conservatives still likely win a super majority against any Liberal candidate now except Carney, and even against Carney he likely still gets a majority.

Trudeau has now selfishly sacrificed his own party, has prorogued our government weeks before Trump is to take over, and many of his own cabinet ministers will now be campaigning instead of acting as parliamentarians.

What should he have done now that he didn't re-sign 6 months ago? He should have taken the hit in the election himself. You can't rebuild a party in 77 days.

I understood the prorogue move from a strategy perspective (don't like it, but understood it), but this is a really key point which didn't initially cross my mind. Canada is going to be a rudderless ship for the majority of the new US Administrations first 100 days. Feel like we're sitting ducks.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

No. I did not say I want him to switch, I said it would be interesting to see if he does. How high is that horse?


I just reread my original comment. I meant to say "is this" and realized I wrote "this is" my mistake.

Ok, whatever man. It was much more than a typo. You expect him to soften his tone despite all evidence to the contrary. I just don't understand this way of thinking, because it's how you end up voting for someone who is against your own best interests, but you've convinced yourself they will be otherwise.


Will it be interesting if he does change? Sure, because he'd be in a fairly unique class of politicians. We call them unicorns.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That party is the problem, not just Justin. That party needs an enema - and this leadership race won't do that. That will take years of reflection and course correction for them to come back stronger.

Voters have extremely short attention spans. Right now our options in Canada are pretty much pure garbage. Leaders and parties. Some of us are looking for a decent candidate, anybody, who we feel we can vote for who will properly represent the country and our interests.

I totally understand why conservative supporters are annoyed and want an election tomorrow to guarantee their party a majority. But if having an election in the fall means we have a decent/better option I think that’s a good thing. I get that politics now is a team sport for a lot of people, but some of us don’t care what party they’re from - we just want better options. Having a stronger Liberal party in this country is a good thing. We want stronger parties and leaders to choose from across the board, not terrible ones so our team wins just because they’re the best of the very worst.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Not who you asked, but the biggest reason to not wait is to get the current Liberal government out now. They're way past their expiration date. Waiting another 9 months so they can get their act together clearly benefits them, but Canadians want a new government and under the current system where he's lost the confidence of the house we're entitled to an election.

How does potentially obtaining a competent leader not benefit Canadians?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

There’s a lot of centrists like myself who have no space for an anti vax politician. The convoy supporters are a vocal fringe, the liberals will never win those votes.

I'm in the same position as you but I don't think the Liberals can bounce back to that space that fast.
I'm not suggesting to win freedom convoy voters, but that most people are tired of that battleground and it shouldn't be a focus of their messaging. It's too similar to where they already have been focused.

Affordability, immigration, cost of living, relations/protection from the incoming Trump regime would be more important focus points.

I believe the votes to get the liberals to a minority opposition lie in the center. What does the average Canadian want? Similar services (slightly better) and an affordable cost of living. Let the middle left call you racist for reforming immigration, your job is to provide value to Canadians first and foremost. Let’s get back to that as our focus.

I agree with this.
But the current remaining support the Liberals have will shift to NDP, so they'd lose votes on one side to gain on the other.
The Left/Centre Left is too split right now.

I do think that's where they need to go and agree with you overall, but I don't see that happening so quickly.
I think the stain of JT will need time to wear off and someone like Carney would be better to save his shot for next time.
But we'll see...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I understood the prorogue move from a strategy perspective (don't like it, but understood it), but this is a really key point which didn't initially cross my mind. Canada is going to be a rudderless ship for the majority of the new US Administrations first 100 days. Feel like we're sitting ducks.

What can a government do with a porouged parliament? Obviously can't pass bills, but clearly government needs to keep doing things. Curious on what are the things they can do.