Regarding the tariffs, while I guess anything could happen and the constant with Trump is that he's unpredictable, I'd agree that eventually, they'll be dropped. Ontario is something like the top trading partner with a number of states and 2nd for some others. And it isn't just imports either, it's 50/50 import/export, which is why Canada could use tariffs back the other way as a threat. What a disaster lol.
Regarding the tariffs, while I guess anything could happen and the constant with Trump is that he's unpredictable, I'd agree that eventually, they'll be dropped. Ontario is something like the top trading partner with a number of states and 2nd for some others. And it isn't just imports either, it's 50/50 import/export, which is why Canada could use tariffs back the other way as a threat. What a disaster lol.
Canada WILL tariff them back.
When Trump instituted 25% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum, Canada retaliated with tariffs on a number of American industries that equaled the total trade value in steel & aluminum.
They'll do the same thing again.
Both the American and the Canadian will suffer for this.
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When Trump instituted 25% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum, Canada retaliated with tariffs on a number of American industries that equaled the total trade value in steel & aluminum.
They'll do the same thing again.
Both the American and the Canadian will suffer for this.
I'm not so sure that Canada will respond with tariffs this time. Last time, Canada put tariffs on things that targeted products from swing states before the election, but this time Trump doesn't need to worry about that.
Someone mentioned it could put pressure on state Republicans that are at least in Trump's ear and I suppose it could influence mid-term elections, but I am not so sure Trump will care at this point so far out from needing to think about it. I guess maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.
Plus just like with Trump's tariffs, the costs just get passed down to the consumers. With inflation still being a big platform issue in Canada, adding tariffs to American products just exacerbates it.
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I'm not so sure that Canada will respond with tariffs this time. Last time, Canada put tariffs on things that targeted products from swing states before the election, but this time Trump doesn't need to worry about that.
Someone mentioned it could put pressure on state Republicans that are at least in Trump's ear and I suppose it could influence mid-term elections, but I am not so sure Trump will care at this point so far out from needing to think about it. I guess maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.
Plus just like with Trump's tariffs, the costs just get passed down to the consumers. With inflation still being a big platform issue in Canada, adding tariffs to American products just exacerbates it.
Unless the US can replace the products they import from Canada, especially heavy crude and lumber, what point is there on retaliating tariffs? All it will serve to do is make already ####ty economic situations in Canada even worse. This can easily backfire on the US because it's not economically beneficial for them.
I hope Canada tells him to pound sand and clean up his own border.
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Unless the US can replace the products they import from Canada, especially heavy crude and lumber, what point is there on retaliating tariffs? All it will serve to do is make already ####ty economic situations in Canada even worse.
The point is so that they don't get away with it. And it will hurt American exporters to hamper Canadian demand with tariffs. It will hurt Canadian consumers too, but that's a price that needs to be paid or we'll be America's doormat.
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I'm not so sure that Canada will respond with tariffs this time. Last time, Canada put tariffs on things that targeted products from swing states before the election, but this time Trump doesn't need to worry about that.
Someone mentioned it could put pressure on state Republicans that are at least in Trump's ear and I suppose it could influence mid-term elections, but I am not so sure Trump will care at this point so far out from needing to think about it. I guess maybe, but I wouldn't count on it.
Plus just like with Trump's tariffs, the costs just get passed down to the consumers. With inflation still being a big platform issue in Canada, adding tariffs to American products just exacerbates it.
Well, I'm that someone. It's less about making Trump care and more about getting them to wield their own congressional/senatorial power to oppose him. Republicans only have a 3 seat majority in the Senate and one in the House. You get a few vulnerable Republicans to vote against Trump and he can't pass legislation. You might even flip the Senate/House in the midterms.
If we don't respond with retaliatory tariffs targeting vulnerable, pro-tariff Republicans (and coordinating this with Mexico) we're stupider than they are.
The point is so that they don't get away with it. And it will hurt American exporters to hamper Canadian demand with tariffs. It will hurt Canadian consumers too, but that's a price that needs to be paid or we'll be America's doormat.
But without an alternative supply, and I'm thinking especially heavy crude, what harm does it do to Canada?
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But without an alternative supply, and I'm thinking especially heavy crude, what harm does it do to Canada?
Demand for Canadian heavy crude is not perfectly inelastic. It will harm Canada. Trump wants to tariff our oil and increase domestic production at the same time. It's a two-pronged attack.
I'm not so sure that Canada will respond with tariffs this time. Last time, Canada put tariffs on things that targeted products from swing states before the election, but this time Trump doesn't need to worry about that.
I'm going to need you to confirm the veracity of this information. Was it fact checked by multiple sources and has Mexico completely given in to Trump's demands, as this journalist contextualizes? Has she said all caravans will be stopped in response to Trump's tarriff threat? What about the caravans already being stopped prior to the announcement?
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The thing is no matter how this plays out Trump will claim a win.
A few scenarios and how Trump wins:
1)Impose tariffs, nothing changes at the border
Result: Prices go up, people pay more, and the same number of people cross into the US from Mexico/Canada
Trump wins by: Just saying "Prices are down, and we fixed the border, and Mexico and Canada are paying the tariffs"
It works because: Too many people are dumb and will hang on Trumps words as gospel and argue to their death that he's telling the truth, because they don't actually care to look at numbers that are readily available to them
2) Don't impose tariffs, Canada and Mexico don't do anything and nothing changes at the border
Result: Prices don't change, and the same number of people cross into the US from Mexico/Canada
Trump wins by: Just saying "Prices are down, and we fixed the border, and Mexico and Canada did everything we asked"
It works because: Too many people are dumb and will hang on Trumps words as gospel and argue to their death that he's telling the truth, because they don't actually care to look at numbers that are readily available to them
We should all know by now that what Trump does, or even what he said prior to whatever he just said, doesn't matter to most of the people who voted for him. He'll tell them that whatever he did was a great success, and next week, he'll deny doing it, and how not doing it was a great success.
The results don't matter to those people, the lie that Donald tells them is their reality.
He's petty, he's a liar, and 70 million people love him for it. That's what makes him dangerous. He can be as petty as he wants, and even if it hurts all of those 70 million people, it won't matter because he'll tell them, they are better off, and if they aren't it's not his fault anyway, and they'll lap it all up.
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Or implement tariffs, and pull some back, or threaten tariffs across the board and implement just a sliver of them and claim his initial threat was all “art of the deal” and I got everyone to do what I wanted without having to implement it. Hero.
The thing is no matter how this plays out Trump will claim a win.
A few scenarios and how Trump wins:
1)Impose tariffs, nothing changes at the border
Result: Prices go up, people pay more, and the same number of people cross into the US from Mexico/Canada
Trump wins by: Just saying "Prices are down, and we fixed the border, and Mexico and Canada are paying the tariffs"
It works because: Too many people are dumb and will hang on Trumps words as gospel and argue to their death that he's telling the truth, because they don't actually care to look at numbers that are readily available to them
2) Don't impose tariffs, Canada and Mexico don't do anything and nothing changes at the border
Result: Prices don't change, and the same number of people cross into the US from Mexico/Canada
Trump wins by: Just saying "Prices are down, and we fixed the border, and Mexico and Canada did everything we asked"
It works because: Too many people are dumb and will hang on Trumps words as gospel and argue to their death that he's telling the truth, because they don't actually care to look at numbers that are readily available to them
We should all know by now that what Trump does, or even what he said prior to whatever he just said, doesn't matter to most of the people who voted for him. He'll tell them that whatever he did was a great success, and next week, he'll deny doing it, and how not doing it was a great success.
The results don't matter to those people, the lie that Donald tells them is their reality.
He's petty, he's a liar, and 70 million people love him for it. That's what makes him dangerous. He can be as petty as he wants, and even if it hurts all of those 70 million people, it won't matter because he'll tell them, they are better off, and if they aren't it's not his fault anyway, and they'll lap it all up.
Trump is preaching America first and people lap it all up. Kind of what Seb said about about Canada. It'll hurt short-term but America can't be a doormat.
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Or implement tariffs, and pull some back, or threaten tariffs across the board and implement just a sliver of them and claim his initial threat was all “art of the deal” and I got everyone to do what I wanted without having to implement it. Hero.
Don't forget that it doesn't matter if the tariffs actually accomplish the stated goal.
No matter what happens he'll tell everyone that the border is fixed and they'll believe him.
Trumps whole plan is "Do whatever the F*** I want, and tell people I got the results I told them I would."
To the dumb dumbs who voted for him, what he does doesn't matter, because what the don't matter, because they'll believe the results are whatever he says they are, until he tells them the exact opposite.
And hell, even if someone wises up and figures out that the results aren't what he said, they'll just blame it on Obama or something.
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Trump is preaching America first and people lap it all up. Kind of what Seb said about about Canada. It'll hurt short-term but America can't be a doormat.
Yeah, and it's all a lie.
He doesn't care about improving the lives of Americans.
He cares about being popular and making himself rich.
He'll do all sorts of things that will hurt everyone, including the people who voted for him, and they'll love him because they'll believe him when he lies to them and says they are better off.
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Yeah, and it's all a lie.
He doesn't care about improving the lives of Americans.
He cares about being popular and making himself rich.
He'll do all sorts of things that will hurt everyone, including the people who voted for him, and they'll love him because they'll believe him when he lies to them and says they are better off.
Probably, but they voted for him as a disrupter to attack a bunch of stuff, for better or for worse.
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Worth noting that even the tweet GullFoss quoted only compares his qualifications to other opponents of the lockdown. It does not compare him to any of the proponents (e.g. Dr. Fauci). Basically, they're admitting "this is the most qualified anti-lockdown person we could find". Even more illuminating would be comparing the combined qualifications of all opponents to the combined qualifications of all proponents.
'In early 2021, with no evidence, Bhattacharya declared that a “majority of Indians have natural immunity” to Covid-19, claimed “vaccinating the whole population can cause great harm” and predicted his preferred approach would “reduce death rates from Covid infection to nearly zero.” Shortly afterward, India suffered a deadly wave that killed millions of people in just a few months — among the highest, fastest death rates of any country.'
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