[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Pretty silly to waive Pelletier only to have waiver eligible Coronato start the year as the 13th forward.

Flames are going to have to send someone down when Sharangovich is healthy. Yesterday was probably the safest day to waive Pelletier, since there were many players on waivers. They still have 30 days to send him down. (assuming he clears)

[Paulie Walnuts]

We could have just sent down Coronato and kept him. Instead Coronato is a healthy scratch when he should be playing.

A puzzling move.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We could have just sent down Coronato and kept him. Instead Coronato is a healthy scratch when he should be playing.

A puzzling move.

I think Geeoff means there is less risk of Pelletier being claimed today than there will be 2-3 weeks from now… when Sharangovich is healthy.

[Geeoff]

I would not be surprised if both Pelletier and Coronato are sent down and Schwindt is eating popcorn until Sharangovich is healthy

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We could have just sent down Coronato and kept him. Instead Coronato is a healthy scratch when he should be playing.

A puzzling move.

Coronato does not need the ice time to develop though, he can develop with Hanley in the press box.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is battling injuries. Just like Honzek has.

Maybe we should be a little patient before writing him off?

I don’t think this is even a comparable at this point. The 6’3” 19 year old 2023 drafted player that had an injury-filled D+1 season, deserved patience and the benefit of the doubt, and he’s looking like he put in the work this summer and will reap the benefits

The 23 year old, 5’9” Pelletier has had 6 training camps to show he can be an NHL player. At what point are injuries no longer an excuse for his lack of development. He’s either injury prone, or he’s just not an effective enough player for his size, or both. How much more patience should we have Paulie?

If another team wants to give him NHL minutes to develop, have at it, it’s no loss to the Flames at this point when several bigger, stronger and younger wingers have clearly passed him in the Flames Org.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Junglist

He was trending just fine until injuries. He made the AHL rookie team in 2021-2022.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is battling injuries. Just like Honzek has.

Maybe we should be a little patient before writing him off?

Again, “just fine” is exactly what I’m saying. Nothing special enough to get worked up about. AHL rookie teams are full of guys who go on to do a whole lot of not much.

Nobody is writing him off. He just hasn’t done anything yet. Honzek, on the other hand, is going to play in the NHL at 19, because he came back from injury and actually earned his spot. An “excellent” 23 year old should be able to do the same.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Again, “just fine” is exactly what I’m saying. Nothing special enough to get worked up about. AHL rookie teams are full of guys who go on to do a whole lot of not much.

Nobody is writing him off. He just hasn’t done anything yet. Honzek, on the other hand, is going to play in the NHL at 19, because he came back from injury and actually earned his spot. An “excellent” 23 year old should be able to do the same.

He is nothing special sure, but the move is still puzzling. Coronato can go down and play and get minutes instead of sitting in the pressbox.

Honzek earned his spot to cover for Sharangovich, and once he is back we can send Honzek back down because he is not a 4th liner or healthy scratch.

So who is the logical player to keep that fits a 4th line spot? He could also be traded for something instead of lost for nothing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I don’t think this is even a comparable at this point. The 6’3” 19 year old 2023 drafted player that had an injury-filled D+1 season, deserved patience and the benefit of the doubt, and he’s looking like he put in the work this summer and will reap the benefits

The 23 year old, 5’9” Pelletier has had 6 training camps to show he can be an NHL player. At what point are injuries no longer an excuse for his lack of development. He’s either injury prone, or he’s just not an effective enough player for his size, or both. How much more patience should we have Paulie?

If another team wants to give him NHL minutes to develop, have at it, it’s no loss to the Flames at this point when several bigger, stronger and younger wingers have clearly passed him in the Flames Org.

He was not going to be a top 6 player that's the thing.

Honzek is not a 4th liner, same goes for Coronato. Those guys can be easily sent down and called back up.

Once Sharangovich is healthy, are we going to play him 6-8 minutes on the 4th line and healthy scratch Coronato?

[Flamesfan05]

If Honzek performed as a top 6, I bet the Flames are smart to keep him there even when Sharangovich came back

If not, the can send him to the AHL for more development

Coronato is interesting. He has already shown he can performed at the AHL level but not sure what are they doing with him as the 13th

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then he needs to show it.

He hasn't/didn't.

What message does it send to all the other young guys on what it takes/ is required, to make the team?

"Yeah....you were better than him (and dont kid yourself, every guy in that room knows who was or wasnt good through camp) but he was a 1st rd pick 5 years ago, so we are just going to gift him your spot"

It would be an asinine way to run things and would wreck that room in a week if it was the norm.

Pelletier and Pelletier alone, is responsible for this situation.

Conroy had no other choice.

I understand the sentiment of setting a cultural precedent and not keeping a player around in favor of others who've outperformed him in camp, but I also think some folks are overvaluing a bad camp as good reason to expose this player.

Training camp is just one of the criteria he should be judged on. His AHL performance has been outstanding so far in his U23 cohort. Injuries have slowed his development at a crucial time in his career. This is a player two short years ago was our most polished forward prospect and we had visions of him playing in the top 6. And he's had all of a whopping 37 NHL games over two seasons, so hardly a proven/finished product.

So you can say tough luck, life's not fair, and he's had ample time to prove himself. If the team was competitive...I'd probably even hold that position.

For the time being, when we're not sniffing the playoffs, I hold an unpopular opinion I guess, but I'm less concerned about the culture of a team where less than a handful of them will be around when we're competitive again. It's important as you start to ramp things back up, but we're not there yet. Easy to say as a fan who's not inside the organization, but my interest is the assets and growing/developing those who might be around when our competitive window re-opens. That would be players under 25, and I'd have even more leniency for high draft pedigree players who've shown flashes of promise.

All this to say, I don't even LOVE Pelletier as a player. His value is almost non-existent as it stands. But I think the franchise could give him some added runway in light of all of the circumstances that have stalled his development to try and re-establish his value, given their first round investment in him. I get setting a culture, but it's not like Pelletier hasn't earned looks based on his broader book of work. Especially when it's aged 30+ veterans taking his roster spot.

[Bingo]

Going in circles here.

Many have said they made the waive decision to keep the player, but get him into a situation where he can rebound.

It's a risk.

But I don't see a better path by keeping him as a healthy scratch and spelling him on the odd game with Lomberg on the fourth line.

This isn't a "how do we get to Monday's deadline without losing any assets?" call.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is nothing special sure, but the move is still puzzling. Coronato can go down and play and get minutes instead of sitting in the pressbox.

Honzek earned his spot to cover for Sharangovich, and once he is back we can send Honzek back down because he is not a 4th liner or healthy scratch.

So who is the logical player to keep that fits a 4th line spot? He could also be traded for something instead of lost for nothing.

Honzek is a unknown commodity in regular season NHL action. Yes, he did great in the preseason and earned his spot. If he struggles out of the gates, they need a player to step in and play in that spot. So you keep Coronato. It makes sense.

Your 4th line is set to play the game a certain way: energy and chaos. None of those players could or should move up the lineup, so it isn't like you can promote Lomberg or Klapka and then insert generic 4th liner.

I think they work both Honzek and Coronato into games while Sharangovich is out. It's a pretty decent scenario to have. Extra motivation, insurance policy, experience, etc. etc. Defer decisions until Sharangovich returns.

[puffnstuff]

Well its noon...

[savardandjokinen]

Vegas claims schwindt

Pelletier and Cooley clear

[sureLoss]

Schwindt clamied by Vegas

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Well its noon...

I am going to laugh if Schwindt gets claimed Pelletier goes through

[tony-soprano]

forever a flame Cole Schwindt

[UK flame]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I am going to laugh if Schwindt gets claimed Pelletier goes through

Looks like it

[sureLoss]

Pelts and Cooley clear