[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[transplant99]

“Of course, you don’t want to go on waivers,” Pelletier said earlier this week . “I want to stay here. I love the team. I love the players. I love the staff. I want to be a part of it. I want to be a part of what’s coming here. I want to play in the new arena.

“But I think it’s on me to kind of force their hand to play me each night and to stay here.”

He knows the drill and knows he did not do what he needed to do in order to make the final 23.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lazar got a 2nd. We could probably get a pick for him if he isn’t in the plans.

What does keeping Hanley on the roster accomplish ?

If Pelletier could have got a second he would have been traded.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Pelletier could have got a second he would have been traded.

Treliving ran out of picks…sorry

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So why is Honzek up ? He needs to play.

I’d rather have Pelletier as a 4th liner.

We already have a 7th D ahead of Hanley.

Honzek earned the spot, Pelletier didn’t. The players aren’t dumb, they know that as well.

Any self respecting organization would have done the same. You reward those who earn it.

Also, you seem to assume that Honzek will stick in the NHL which isn’t necessarily the case. Similarly, Pelletier can earn his spot by playing his way in to it. If Honzek does stay for the season, it will be because he has earned it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He knows the drill and knows he did not do what he needed to do in order to make the final 23.

This is why it is impossible not to like the guy. When people say he didn't earn a spot, I get it and is true, but it also sounds kind of harsh considering how hard he works and how much just crap luck he has had.

Like I mentioned before, I am unconvinced of his NHL upside at this point because of how much development time he lost, I really hope he clear waivers though and he can get one more good shot with this team, If he can stay healthy for a full season, then we can really see what he is.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

A really disappointing result all around. A letdown of a camp yet again for Pelletier and IMO poor asset management on the part of the front office. If we were competing for a playoff spot this sits better with me, but at the early part of a rebuild these are the types of young players I’d like to see room made for, especially for a player who’s habitually had poor starts thus far in his career.

How can both things be true though?

If he had a bad camp, how can you say it’s bad asset management to let him go to waivers? He’s of that age now, it means he has not been able to establish himself as in NHLer. Injuries or no injuries. This is a cruel game sometimes and he just hasn’t cut it yet.

So I think you’re overreacting.

[All In Good Time]

At the end of the day, no matter what WE think about the roster or asset management, Pelletier earned this result. It doesn’t mean it’s over or anything like that but the only surprise is that he’s been passed by so many so quickly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honzek earned the spot, Pelletier didn’t. The players aren’t dumb, they know that as well.

Any self respecting organization would have done the same. You reward those who earn it.

Also, you seem to assume that Honzek will stick in the NHL which isn’t necessarily the case. Similarly, Pelletier can earn his spot by playing his way in to it. If Honzek does stay for the season, it will be because he has earned it.

Yeah I’ve said Honzek made the team, but he has hardly played much hockey the last few years. For his development it’s best he gets a lot of ice time.

He may get sent down. I just don’t want him being wasted being in a d out of the lineup and getting 6-7 minutes.

He needs touches. Play the PP and PK. If he goes down now spots will open once we start trading Mantha and Kuzmenko.

It’s why it’s best for coronato to go down as well.

[Freddy]

I like that Conroy is keeping the players that he feels help the team win based on meritocracy and has strategically tried to slip Pelts, Cooley, and Schwindt through at the best time. It may not work to everyone’s satisfaction but he’s done his best to make the NHL Flames the best they can be to start the season. I like that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah I’ve said Honzek made the team, but he has hardly played much hockey the last few years. For his development it’s best he gets a lot of ice time.

He may get sent down. I just don’t want him being wasted being in a d out of the lineup and getting 6-7 minutes.

He needs touches. Play the PP and PK. If he goes down now spots will open once we start trading Mantha and Kuzmenko.

It’s why it’s best for coronato to go down as well.

Agreed.

Honzek has earned the job. For now. I’m fairly certain the same conversations have been had at the dome. If Honzek is playing 6-8 mins a night mixed in with some healthy scratches, I’d bet he goes down at some point to play a much bigger role on the wranglers. I’d be a bit surprised if he stays the full year. Both outcomes, I think, are positive.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

This is why it is impossible not to like the guy. When people say he didn't earn a spot, I get it and is true, but it also sounds kind of harsh considering how hard he works and how much just crap luck he has had.

Like I mentioned before, I am unconvinced of his NHL upside at this point because of how much development time he lost, I really hope he clear waivers though and he can get one more good shot with this team, If he can stay healthy for a full season, then we can really see what he is.

By all accounts Curtis Lazar was a good upbeat guy too. Never really met his first round draft pedigree. But he went to the AHL fought his way back to the NHL and 8 seasons and 280 games later is still in the NHL. I don't miss Lazar at all as a player. But I'm happy for him that he's found a way to stick around the league this long. I do hope Pelletier can enjoy something similar or maybe a bit better career than Lazar.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

How can both things be true though?

If he had a bad camp, how can you say it’s bad asset management to let him go to waivers? He’s of that age now, it means he has not been able to establish himself as in NHLer. Injuries or no injuries. This is a cruel game sometimes and he just hasn’t cut it yet.

So I think you’re overreacting.

I think his track record of stellar play in the AHL and draft pedigree should give him some extended rope, especially right now.

This is still a young player at just 23. So I think a bad camp is unfortunate but is still someone who’s very capable of being an NHL player. A bad stretch of hockey for two weeks doesn’t phase my outlook on the player all that much.

[Geeoff]

Better for Pelletier to play in the AHL than not play in the NHL

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lazar got a 2nd. We could probably get a pick for him if he isn’t in the plans.

What does keeping Hanley on the roster accomplish ?

They probably tried...there are some pretty decent players/prospects hitting waivers right now

[DoubleK]

I think Pelletier has burned all his chances with the Flames. If he finds a new home via waivers, good for him. He hasn't done enough to prove to the Flames brass that he deserves a spot.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I think his track record of stellar play in the AHL and draft pedigree should give him some extended rope, especially right now.

This is still a young player at just 23. So I think a bad camp is unfortunate but is still someone who’s very capable of being an NHL player. A bad stretch of hockey for two weeks doesn’t phase my outlook on the player all that much.

Then he needs to show it.

He hasn't/didn't.

What message does it send to all the other young guys on what it takes/ is required, to make the team?

"Yeah....you were better than him (and dont kid yourself, every guy in that room knows who was or wasnt good through camp) but he was a 1st rd pick 5 years ago, so we are just going to gift him your spot"

It would be an asinine way to run things and would wreck that room in a week if it was the norm.

Pelletier and Pelletier alone, is responsible for this situation.

Conroy had no other choice.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Always earned, never given...

*SIGH*

This hasn't been a thing for nearly a decade. Why do posters keep insisting that the Flames are beholden to this, as if it's a team motto?

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

*SIGH*

This hasn't been a thing for nearly a decade. Why do posters keep insisting that the Flames are beholden to this, as if it's a team motto?

Young Guns!

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then he needs to show it.

He hasn't/didn't.

What message does it send to all the other young guys on what it takes/ is required, to make the team?

Could also send a message that they give up on injured players as well no matter how good their progression was before.

[GullFoss]

The asset management decision was Mantha or Lomberg vs Pelletier. And with regards to Mantha, its about what they would get at the trade deadline vs what Pelletier is worth to the team.

I personally would have rather had Pelletier in the starting line-up this year over Mantha on the roster. But the front office wouldn't, which tells you how little they value Pelletier (lower than a low second round pick).

Outside of trying to lift Hubys spirits and have a good motor, he showed very little. And the guy wasn't durable enough to play a bottom six role. Too bad. I hope he passes through waivers and can develop into a quality top-6 player. But I have my doubts. He's small, lacks durability and doesn't have high end finishing skills.