06-05-2024, 01:05 PM
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#4581
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
If Marner wants to play hardball, I guess Leafs can bench him till he agrees to a trade. That's probably their only leverage.
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NHLPA will make that very hard to do, if not impossible, since he still has a valid contract.
He has NMC but what exactly does that mean? Most NMCs allow the team to submit a list of teams he can be traded to. CapFriendly doesn't list the stipulations on his NMC. Can't surely be a complete NMC, can it?
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06-05-2024, 01:08 PM
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#4582
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
they got Kane and Toews 1st and 3rd overall, and the Flames refuse to be bad enough to accomplish that
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The year the Hawks got Toews they had 65 points. The year they got Kane, the won the lottery and moved up to 1st. They had 71 points that year.
I believe that the Flames are probably a 70-point team after the deadline. We trade Markstrom, probably a bottom 5 team. Stay there until you get a couple top 3 picks for sure. Summer will tell if they don't think that is a good plan.
I posted a reply earlier, 3rd last in the NHL in the last 19 years averages 69 points. We are pretty close to that.
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06-05-2024, 02:12 PM
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#4583
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
NHLPA will make that very hard to do, if not impossible, since he still has a valid contract.
He has NMC but what exactly does that mean? Most NMCs allow the team to submit a list of teams he can be traded to. CapFriendly doesn't list the stipulations on his NMC. Can't surely be a complete NMC, can it?
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Yes it is
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06-05-2024, 02:16 PM
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#4584
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
NHLPA will make that very hard to do, if not impossible, since he still has a valid contract.
He has NMC but what exactly does that mean? Most NMCs allow the team to submit a list of teams he can be traded to. CapFriendly doesn't list the stipulations on his NMC. Can't surely be a complete NMC, can it?
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NMC's mean that the player cannot be traded to any of the 31 other teams without the players consent and cannot be sent to the minors without the players consent. There are no exceptions in a NMC.
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06-05-2024, 02:18 PM
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#4585
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Brad gets to walk another player to free agency lol. Although he is way less to blame if that happens on this one
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There is literally nothing BT can do about it.
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06-05-2024, 02:20 PM
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#4586
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Franchise Player
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Giving NTCs/NMCs to two-thirds of the players in the league is coming around to bite GMs in the ass.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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06-05-2024, 02:22 PM
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#4587
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by transplant99
There is literally nothing BT can do about it.
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well, he can extend him for his asking price.
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06-05-2024, 02:25 PM
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#4588
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Giving NTCs/NMCs to two-thirds of the players in the league is coming around to bite GMs in the ass.
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Playes will never give it up but I'd love if a team could only have three of them or something. Would make trade dynamics a lot more interesting
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06-05-2024, 02:30 PM
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#4589
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Playes will never give it up but I'd love if a team could only have three of them or something. Would make trade dynamics a lot more interesting
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That conversation in the next CBA starts with the players asking to get rid of escrow
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06-05-2024, 02:31 PM
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#4590
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Loves Teh Chat!
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Originally Posted by transplant99
There is literally nothing BT can do about it.
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It's a process. Remember the process. Don't panic, these things are a process.
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06-05-2024, 02:34 PM
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#4591
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
NHLPA will make that very hard to do, if not impossible, since he still has a valid contract.
He has NMC but what exactly does that mean? Most NMCs allow the team to submit a list of teams he can be traded to. CapFriendly doesn't list the stipulations on his NMC. Can't surely be a complete NMC, can it?
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
NMC's mean that the player cannot be traded to any of the 31 other teams without the players consent and cannot be sent to the minors without the players consent. There are no exceptions in a NMC.
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Some players have NMC with modified NTC’s. Can’t be moved down; but can be traded to a list of teams. How does the NHLPA have any say in benching a player?
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06-05-2024, 02:36 PM
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#4592
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Flames sign Marner.
Rebuild over.
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06-05-2024, 02:37 PM
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#4593
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Franchise Player
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What I would give for a strike or lockout right now.
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06-05-2024, 02:48 PM
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#4594
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
well, he can extend him for his asking price.
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Yeah but that doesn't address their biggest issues which are blueline and goaltending. Marner is interesting as he's definitely a great player in the regular season but he's certainly not the missing piece for a cup contending team because he's purely a complementary winger and his price will be prohibitive. He's going to be more valuable to teams like the Kraken or Salt Lake city that are starved for star talent.
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06-05-2024, 02:48 PM
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#4595
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Some players have NMC with modified NTC’s. Can’t be moved down; but can be traded to a list of teams. How does the NHLPA have any say in benching a player?
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They can just apply pressure internally and externally. The Leafs would obviously be benching/scratching Marner out of retaliation for not agreeing to waive.
I don't think they'd do it to make a point though, tough to make the playoffs when you have a ppg player sitting and having 11 million in dead cap.
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06-05-2024, 02:50 PM
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#4596
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Some players have NMC with modified NTC’s. Can’t be moved down; but can be traded to a list of teams. How does the NHLPA have any say in benching a player?
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He has a valid contract, he is healthy and he wants to play.
The team wants to sit him because he won't accept a trade won't sit well with the NHLPA.
I faintly recall there being precedent to a similar scenario but I can't recall the team or player.
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06-05-2024, 03:11 PM
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#4597
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
He has a valid contract, he is healthy and he wants to play.
The team wants to sit him because he won't accept a trade won't sit well with the NHLPA.
I faintly recall there being precedent to a similar scenario but I can't recall the team or player.
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Realistically, it isn’t something a team is going to do if a player can produce. Because that wouldn’t make sense. But, healthy scratches are a thing… it sounds insane to me that the NHLPA could pipe up about a teams lineup. I don’t understand what grounds they would even have.
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06-05-2024, 03:11 PM
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#4598
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Some players have NMC with modified NTC’s. Can’t be moved down; but can be traded to a list of teams. How does the NHLPA have any say in benching a player?
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Toronto benching Marner to force a trade would likely the dumbest thing a team has ever done.
Helps Toronto lose. Creates real issues with its current players and potential other players who might one time look to play for Toronto.
Marner can sit and watch Toronto panic, hurts them quite a bit more.
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06-05-2024, 03:13 PM
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#4599
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yeah but that doesn't address their biggest issues which are blueline and goaltending. Marner is interesting as he's definitely a great player in the regular season but he's certainly not the missing piece for a cup contending team because he's purely a complementary winger and his price will be prohibitive. He's going to be more valuable to teams like the Kraken or Salt Lake city that are starved for star talent.
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Oh, I never said it was a good solution.
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06-05-2024, 03:14 PM
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#4600
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Toronto benching Marner to force a trade would likely the dumbest thing a team has ever done.
Helps Toronto lose. Creates real issues with its current players and potential other players who might one time look to play for Toronto.
Marner can sit and watch Toronto panic, hurts them quite a bit more.
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Yeah, of course. I agree. It’s not something that’s going to happen, ever. But the NHLPA doesn’t have a say in it.
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