2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You just don't get it do you? You and Paulie both. There is no rebuild, there won't be a rebuild, I don't know how many more times Conroy and the organization have to say that for it to sink into your heads. It isn't happening. The Flames are not going to tank, they are not going to strip it down, they are going to try and reload for the playoffs next year, period. They are going to make trades for early to mid 20's players but not older vets and they are going to try and retool on the fly. Whether it is the right way to go about it or not, no matter what you or I or Joe Blow thinks is irrelevant.

That's fine, but it's simply not going to work, and sooner or later they're going to have to come to grips with the fact that they have a bad roster and a relatively weak prospect pool. There's no silver lining here. It's going to end up with them picking high either now or later.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So where is Buffalo's MacKinnon and Makar? You want the team to rebuild and tank I guess you better buy the team from Edwards, until then it is what it is.

That Jack Eichel guy was pretty good. I heard he won a cup.

The Sabres have a lot of good young players too. Dahlin and Powers should be good defenders for years. Byram and Thompson are pretty good assets as well.

The Flames would kill to have those kinds of assets on defense right now.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You just don't get it do you? You and Paulie both. There is no rebuild, there won't be a rebuild, I don't know how many more times Conroy and the organization have to say that for it to sink into your heads. It isn't happening. The Flames are not going to tank, they are not going to strip it down, they are going to try and reload for the playoffs next year, period. They are going to make trades for early to mid 20's players but not older vets and they are going to try and retool on the fly. Whether it is the right way to go about it or not, no matter what you or I or Joe Blow thinks is irrelevant.

Giving Montreal the 12th overall pick next year should be a goal that all aspire to I guess.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So where is Buffalo's MacKinnon and Makar? You want the team to rebuild and tank I guess you better buy the team from Edwards, until then it is what it is.

Well one of them (Eichel) won a Cup last year and another (Reinhart) might win a Cup this year. So they did achieve success with their rebuild, just not in Buffalo.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You just don't get it do you? You and Paulie both. There is no rebuild, there won't be a rebuild, I don't know how many more times Conroy and the organization have to say that for it to sink into your heads. It isn't happening. The Flames are not going to tank, they are not going to strip it down, they are going to try and reload for the playoffs next year, period. They are going to make trades for early to mid 20's players but not older vets and they are going to try and retool on the fly. Whether it is the right way to go about it or not, no matter what you or I or Joe Blow thinks is irrelevant.

Oh I completely agree, anyone can see how dumb our ownership group is a mile away. It makes complete sense that we would be going all in for the playoffs with 3 NHL caliber defensemen currently on the roster (with 2 signed).

Make it make sense though. This team needs a blow up badly.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well one of them (Eichel) won a Cup last year and another (Reinhart) might win a Cup this year. So they did achieve success with their rebuild, just not in Buffalo.

Same could be said for Calgary then, when Bennett and Tkachuk win it?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Same could be said for Calgary then, when Bennett and Tkachuk win it?

Seems as though making high picks isn't such a bad idea.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Seems as though making high picks isn't such a bad idea.

I never said that it was a bad idea. We’ll be making another high pick next year and probably the year after that. I do like how the Flames did it last time though. Just would’ve done a few things differently.

[TheScorpion]

Hah, I wasn't suggesting you meant otherwise.

IMO the Flames should be gunning to make multiple first-round picks in 2024, 2025, 2026, and maybe 2027. Start to pull out of things in 2027 and make the playoffs again around 2028-29ish.

[flamesgod]

And the mishandling of Bennett really pisses me off. And no, I’m not letting it go.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Oh I completely agree, anyone can see how dumb our ownership group is a mile away. It makes complete sense that we would be going all in for the playoffs with 3 NHL caliber defensemen currently on the roster (with 2 signed).

Make it make sense though. This team needs a blow up badly.

I would be fine with them blowing it up, I am not opposed to a rebuild myself but try convincing ownership and the vet players of that. I get it, we are all sick of the team being in the mushy middle.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hah, I wasn't suggesting you meant otherwise.

IMO the Flames should be gunning to make multiple first-round picks in 2024, 2025, 2026, and maybe 2027. Start to pull out of things in 2027 and make the playoffs again around 2028-29ish.

I won’t lie, I do hope they’re in the playoffs sooner than that. Ideally, they hit on some of their later draft picks this year, and a couple of them are ready for 27-28. Just in time to play with Mckenna and get into the playoffs.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hah, I wasn't suggesting you meant otherwise.

IMO the Flames should be gunning to make multiple first-round picks in 2024, 2025, 2026, and maybe 2027. Start to pull out of things in 2027 and make the playoffs again around 2028-29ish.

But, we want the playoffs..... NOW!!!

Realistically, playoffs should not even be in the discussion for the next few years. We shouldn't be making any short term decisions at all.

Kuzmenko... gone next deadline.
Bread... gone next deadline.
Necas... hang up the phone.
Coleman wants to go to a contender? Find him a team.

We aren't going to be a contender for years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hah, I wasn't suggesting you meant otherwise.

IMO the Flames should be gunning to make multiple first-round picks in 2024, 2025, 2026, and maybe 2027. Start to pull out of things in 2027 and make the playoffs again around 2028-29ish.

It is such an obvious timeline (to me at least). Trying to do anything other than finish bottom ten next year is a borderline disaster. Imagine going into a re-tool, or a rebuild or a re-whatever and picking 9th and then 29th the next year and not making the playoffs either year. Your team still probably sucks and you are picking down with the conference finalists. Brad literally gave the Flames a gift, a real incentive to tank for a year to get a high pick. The decision on whether to try to tank next year could literally be worth 20+ positions in the first round.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is such an obvious timeline (to me at least). Trying to do anything other than finish bottom ten next year is a borderline disaster. Imagine going into a re-tool, or a rebuild or a re-whatever and picking 9th and then 29th the next year and not making the playoffs either year. Your team still probably sucks and you are picking down with the conference finalists. Brad literally gave the Flames a gift, a real incentive to tank for a year to get a high pick. The decision on whether to try to tank next year could literally be worth 20+ positions in the first round.

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about that next year. Not unless Conroy pulls a Houdini act on the backend.

[Sandman]

I hope we make our picks this year, rather than trade them for already established NHL players over the age of 22…

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I hope we make our picks this year, rather than trade them for already established NHL players over the age of 22…

I hope we add a couple more.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I don’t think you’ll have to worry about that next year. Not unless Conroy pulls a Houdini act on the backend.

If they traded for Necas and used their cap space to sign a couple of the veteran UFA dmen and kept the rest of their players from last year they could finish outside the top 10 pick for sure. Not playoffs but outside the top 10. A team of

Huberdeau Zary Necas
Sharangovich Kadri Kuzmenko
Coleman Backlund Mangiapane
Pospisil Rooney Coronato

Weegar Miromanov
Edmundson Anderson
Kylington Tanev

Markstrom
Vladar

That team would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10. Would not make the playoffs IMO but would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If they traded for Necas and used their cap space to sign a couple of the veteran UFA dmen and kept the rest of their players from last year they could finish outside the top 10 pick for sure. Not playoffs but outside the top 10. A team of

Huberdeau Zary Necas
Sharangovich Kadri Kuzmenko
Coleman Backlund Mangiapane
Pospisil Rooney Coronato

What would the point of all this be? If we finish 11th or 12th last instead, we lose our first round pick.

Weegar Miromanov
Edmundson Anderson
Kylington Tanev

Markstrom
Vladar

That team would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10. Would not make the playoffs IMO but would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10.

What would the point of all this be? If we finish 11th last or 12th last we lose our 1st round pick.

May as well just be patient.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If they traded for Necas and used their cap space to sign a couple of the veteran UFA dmen and kept the rest of their players from last year they could finish outside the top 10 pick for sure. Not playoffs but outside the top 10. A team of

Huberdeau Zary Necas
Sharangovich Kadri Kuzmenko
Coleman Backlund Mangiapane
Pospisil Rooney Coronato

Weegar Miromanov
Edmundson Anderson
Kylington Tanev

Markstrom
Vladar

That team would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10. Would not make the playoffs IMO but would not be a slam dunk to finish bottom 10.

I think they'd be battling for a wild card. It's a team that would hang with the Blues, Kraken, Coyotes, Wild and whoever else is in the middle.

As you said probably not a bottom 10 team. So we'd be drafting 11th-19th with a shot at playoffs.

We'd be an easy out for a serious contender and would have next to no chance of winning a cup for the next 5-10 years because we're sitting in the middle.