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Old 06-03-2024, 10:40 PM   #4281
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So let's say Necas flourishes into a #1 C ala Lindholm. Necas is 25 years old, how long are you expecting the Flames to be non competitive? 10 years? Or do you think even if it takes 5 years that Necas will have seriously declined at 30 years old?
Why would he change positions once he comes to the Flames? I could see him turning into a 65 point right winger though.
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Flames weren't competitive with Lindholm at 1C the last two years, why would they suddenly be competitive with Necas
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Old 06-03-2024, 10:46 PM   #4283
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Every year I am told they are a cup threat but I'm yet to see it
The Carolina Hurricanes have won more playoff series in the last 6 years than the Flames have won in the past 35 years. Not sure if they are Stanley Cup contenders but they certainly at least have some playoff success.

I would not mind if the Flames tried the Hurricanes approach or at a minimum took a page out of the George Costanza book and just did the opposite of what they have always done.
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We are not rebuilding. The mandate is to get back in the playoffs ASAP. That's why they are retooling. It doesn't matter if rebuilding is the way to do it, it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's what ownership wants.
That is a terrible mandate. I thought we were told ownership was going to let the GM be the GM finally?

I guess they really are dumb as a rock. We will never win a cup with trying to fix things asap and building a core around Necas.

Necas is the type of player you get if you have a core in place. Or if you want to start surrounding your assets with some secondary pieces (for example Chicago).
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Why do you keep claiming this when over 80% of his career starts are at C?
The guy takes on average two faceoffs a game. So he definitely does not start at center.
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Connor McDavid? And his numbers were posted in another thread, he is a centre.
Connor McDavid takes about 12 face offs a game, Necas takes about 2 over his career. Evander Kane takes 1 faceoff a game. One of those guys is a center.

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They can't seem to beat the big boys or put up much of a fight against them in the playoffs though
That’s because they don’t have enough high picks on their team. That Hamilton trade was kind of dumb for them but I’m not sure Hanifin or Lindholm would have put them over the top but it would have helped. They are good model for the Flames to follow outside of rebuild rushing trades.
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So let's say Necas flourishes into a #1 C ala Lindholm. Necas is 25 years old, how long are you expecting the Flames to be non competitive? 10 years? Or do you think even if it takes 5 years that Necas will have seriously declined at 30 years old?
Is our goal really to get the next Lindholm? Another player who is fine as a secondary piece, but not something I'd be building a roster around.

It seems some people's expectations are so low of the team that the best we can hope for is another Lindholm.

Personally, I'd rather just be awful for a few years and hope to get the next Mackinnon or Makar. So we have a base to start building a roster around.
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That is a terrible mandate. I thought we were told ownership was going to let the GM be the GM finally?

I guess they really are dumb as a rock. We will never win a cup with trying to fix things asap and building a core around Necas.

Necas is the type of player you get if you have a core in place. Or if you want to start surrounding your assets with some secondary pieces (for example Chicago).
We will see. This summer will be telling. They rebuilt after Iggy left so it’s not like it hasn’t been done before here. Feaster even said the it isn’t a rebuild line.

If they trade Markstrom in the summer then the rebuild is officially on. If they don’t then we just have to hope the next set of UFAs want out and Conroy doesn’t do something stupid via free agency or trade wise.
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They hardly rebuilt after Iginla left, they were trading picks again left and right just two years later
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Old 06-03-2024, 11:04 PM   #4291
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Paulie, Lindholm was almost exclusively used as a RW in Carolina and his initial stint with the Flames. Is he a right winger too?
In Lindholm’s last two seasons in Carolina he averaged almost 10 faceoffs a game. Necas has averaged 3.5 faceoffs a game over the past two seasons. The Hurricanes used one as a center and one as a RW.
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They hardly rebuilt after Iginla left, they were trading picks again left and right just two years later
They still picked 6th, 4th, and 6th. Do that and then don’t do dumb crap like the Hamonic trade. Trading for Necas would be Hamonic part two though.
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In Lindholm’s last two seasons in Carolina he averaged almost 10 faceoffs a game. Necas has averaged 3.5 faceoffs a game over the past two seasons. The Hurricanes used one as a center and one as a RW.
Lindholm was also younger.
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In Lindholm’s last two seasons in Carolina he averaged almost 10 faceoffs a game. Necas has averaged 3.5 faceoffs a game over the past two seasons. The Hurricanes used one as a center and one as a RW.
Lindholm averaged 12 per game his first year in Calgary. But he still was our RW. I’m not saying Necas is or isn’t a centre, because I don’t pay close enough attention to Carolina to notice. But I do know where you lineup at the faceoff dot doesn’t mean that’s the position you’re playing on the ice.
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They still picked 6th, 4th, and 6th. Do that and then don’t do dumb crap like the Hamonic trade. Trading for Necas would be Hamonic part two though.
I would much prefer the Flames lose out on the Necas sweepstakes to the Canucks and pick up Mikhayev and the Canucks 2026 unprotected first and a 2026 2nd from the Canucks for their 4th round pick this year.
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To me Necas makes sense on a team like Colorado, if Nichuskin is gone as a replacement.

Or on Chicago to get someone for Bedard to play with and mentor.

Or even Vancouver as a replacement for a couple of their players if they don't re sign.

I just don't see how he fits on our team at all. We are at the very beginning of a rebuild where we need to do everything possible to finish in the bottom 10 this year.
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Is our goal really to get the next Lindholm? Another player who is fine as a secondary piece, but not something I'd be building a roster around.

It seems some people's expectations are so low of the team that the best we can hope for is another Lindholm.

Personally, I'd rather just be awful for a few years and hope to get the next Mackinnon or Makar. So we have a base to start building a roster around.
So where is Buffalo's MacKinnon and Makar? You want the team to rebuild and tank I guess you better buy the team from Edwards, until then it is what it is.
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Everyone remembers which teams were so bad for so long that they drove away their fans, went broke, and had to sell out to a different city. (Those of us who are older than dirt also remember which teams folded entirely. Anyone who thinks that can never happen again is a sucker.)

Calgary is the third smallest market in the NHL (and also the third coldest). Most players don't want to play here. Local media revenue is maxed out, and gate revenue is sharply limited, both by the size of the market and by the crumbling hunk of concrete the team plays in. At least three-quarters of the league has a significant competitive advantage over Calgary.

It would be nice if the Flames won another Stanley Cup some day, but only a fool would expect it. And only a maniac would demand it, or think that the team's managers must be incompetent because they can't deliver on a 100-to-1 shot.

You don't ‘aim to be the best’. You wilfully chose to cheer for a team that CANNOT be the best, and then cry and whine because they aren't something they cannot be.
Pure fear. You call everyone else negative but you post the most negative drivel about the franchise, like they are on the short bus of the NHL and just pathetic little victims that shouldn't be expected to do anything of note, should just be happy to have skates.
Its a salary cap league now not the early 90's. The save the Flames campaign worked. Let it go, leave your trauma behind.
No one is demanding the Flames win the cup, but they want that to be the aim, backed by a sound strategy. That's it.
The Flames have a new arena on the way and an opportunity to ice a good team in it if they play their cards right. They are no more disadvantaged than a number of other teams in the league. Hopefully they at least realize its time to leave the small minded thinking behind.
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To me Necas makes sense on a team like Colorado, if Nichuskin is gone as a replacement.

Or on Chicago to get someone for Bedard to play with and mentor.

Or even Vancouver as a replacement for a couple of their players if they don't re sign.

I just don't see how he fits on our team at all. We are at the very beginning of a rebuild where we need to do everything possible to finish in the bottom 10 this year.
You just don't get it do you? You and Paulie both. There is no rebuild, there won't be a rebuild, I don't know how many more times Conroy and the organization have to say that for it to sink into your heads. It isn't happening. The Flames are not going to tank, they are not going to strip it down, they are going to try and reload for the playoffs next year, period. They are going to make trades for early to mid 20's players but not older vets and they are going to try and retool on the fly. Whether it is the right way to go about it or not, no matter what you or I or Joe Blow thinks is irrelevant.
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Lindholm averaged 12 per game his first year in Calgary. But he still was our RW. I’m not saying Necas is or isn’t a centre, because I don’t pay close enough attention to Carolina to notice. But I do know where you lineup at the faceoff dot doesn’t mean that’s the position you’re playing on the ice.
Monahan also took about 12 faceoffs a game that year and they were on the same line. I cannot think of a time when someone takes almost no faceoffs but plays center for the rest of the shift. I can think of times when wingers will take draws on their strong side and then switch back to wing. But cannot really think of ever seeing a situation (outside of injury like Bennett has right now) where a guy does not take draws and then plays center the rest of the shift. It would be an abnormality for sure.
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