According to Coleman, Tkachuk wanted to stay

[Kipper_3434]

Neil signing was the worst for me and the first really big mistake he made. Why was it so bad? Because he also bought out Brouwer to do it (who ended up a better player within a season) thus bringing the total cap hit to 7.5 ish m for fuggin Neil. Just the absolute capstone on a series of obviously brutal moves that crippled the team's potential.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

That isn't what he said.

He said Gaudreau wanted to stay and tried to get a contract done the year prior and he wasn't happy about how that process was going.

He said maybe Tkachuk would have stayed in Johnny did but he isn't sure.

He said he was close friends with both of them. So he would know.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Too bad they didn't know that he could grow into the role and the cap hit.

Tkachuk and Bennett are leading a team to the finals. Turns out the Flames had some of the right pieces all along. They just lacked the patience.

Something that seems to plague a number of Canadian teams.

A lot of fans didn't have patience. There was a lot of criticism on Tkachuk for no being a playoff performer when he was still at an age where he was younger than half of the prospects still on the team.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Wish we fired Treliving instead of letting him walk. Scummy way to leave as well.

End of the day? Good riddance to Treliving.

I only know a few things, but Treliving wasn't 'allowed to walk' there was a boot-print on his ass.

We didn't 'not get to re-sign Treliving' he was kicked out the door.

He should have been fired years ago. Have fun Toronto.

[googol]

Treliving is a terrible GM. He was a wizard negotiator, but couldn’t manage to build and keep a good team.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

Not I.

I am perfectly aware that Treliving screwed this team hard and he screwed it long. He was an incompetent Buffoon.

And I am no 'Insider' but every single person I've talked to has indicated that Ownership never wanted him back. Which is why he wasn't allowed to negotiate with other teams.

The change of that decision came because his Dad basically begged for it.

And for whatever reason Toronto decided: "oh yes! That! Lets get us some of that!"

Treliving should have been fired a long time ago.

This flies in the face of nearly everything that has been said publicly and acknowledged by the Flames themselves, so I’d question the validity of what you’ve heard.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

End of the day? Good riddance to Treliving.

I only know a few things, but Treliving wasn't 'allowed to walk' there was a boot-print on his ass.

We didn't 'not get to re-sign Treliving' he was kicked out the door.

He should have been fired years ago. Have fun Toronto.

Curious to know who told you this. Again, it is at odds with what’s been stated publicly and I wonder what the rationale there is in the Flames not stating at the time that Treliving was fired. Because that never happened.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He said he was close friends with both of them. So he would know.

Things change and so do people’s opinions over time. I don’t question at all Gaudreau wanted to stay and probably spoke to that behind closed doors but his decision to leave was, likely, driven by personal reasons at the end of the day and there’s not much the Flames or Treliving could have done about it.

Was it a mistake for Treliving to have not signed him the offseason prior when, according to Stienberg, a deal was close. Tough to say. What was Gaudreau asking for? Bear in mind he was coming off back to back seasons of sub point per game production. And if Gaudreau’s not scoring, he’s not doing much else. Also worth acknowledging that aside from the 21/22 season Gaudreau is at a 68.8 point/season pace over the past four out of five seasons. That’s not worth the contract he signed in Columbus. He’ll, if Treliving signed him to the Columbus deal he’d still be getting tarred and feathered.

Evidently people just need something to complain about.

[Manhattanboy]

Treliving sucks more than any GM has ever sucked.

(In the style of Beavis).

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

https://thewincolumn.ca/2024/05/31/r...nding-a-trade/

So similiar to Gaudreau, Tre's terrible negotiating ability cost us a star player.

This is embarrassing for The Win Column. Hack blogging.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

As I mentioned before, before the dumb assed bridge contract his agent wanted 8x$8.5m and Treliving in his wisdom decided to save a few bucks and lowball his star winger right to free agency.

Outside of Treliving's own mouth this was from as good of a source as you can get.

Source?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'd heard the offer was in the $6M range, and Johnny was really put off and it was effectively when he decided to move on.

expect nearly everything Gaudreau had to say publicly goes against this. That offseason and the offseason following up to the point of him hitting the market, Gaudreau stated he wanted to resign. Did he tell Treliving the opposite behind closed doors? doubt it. Why would he? To screw Treliving and all Flames fans? Sounds like a great story line for the WWE.

I know most people hate Treliving here, and that's fine he deserves much criticism, but no need to make things up. Where did this $6M/year come from and why wasn't that reported back then? $6M would have been a pay cut. Why would Treliving, or anyone with two brain cells to rub together, do that? Not only would you alienate your, arguably, best player but you also devalue your own asset. Word would have gotten out and other GM's would have stated making offers. If the Flames didn't want/value him, other teams would have. And if it is true that Treliving lowballed Gaudreau, why would either party have decided to continue? Gaudreau would have likely halted all negotiations and asked for a trade. But that's not what happened. If you put any stock into what those close to the team had to say (Stienberg namely) then the $6M offer sounds like a fabrication. Steinberg has said the deal was very close but one or both sides pulled back just before the start of the season. Sounds like to me that $6M wasn't what was being discussed.

What happened is that Gaudreau and the Flames continued to negotiate up to the last day or so of him hitting the market. What also happened, from many accounts, is the Flames offered him the Huberdeau deal ($10.5M/8years) and had a verbal agreement. If you believe what Serivalli had to say, Gaudreau was ready to sign the deal up to the point where he and his wife had a conversation. That's not to say she changed his mind but ceratinly I think it's fair to think the topic of where they wanted to raise their children did. And, ultimately, they wanted to be closer to home for the both of them.

Have to say for a forum/community that looks down its nose at Oiler/Leafs fans for not being very well informed, or just plain dumb, there is a lot of make believe sh*t being thrown around here in this thread.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

In this case though, around $8M would have been close to market for Johnny, and if they'd signed him in that range a lot of what's transpired since might not have.

This means almost nothing. Of course other things may or may not have happened.

Does Tkachuk stay? maybe. Worth reminding everyone that Tkachuk and Sutter didn't see eye to eye on a number of things. When Sutter came in he cut Tkachuk's ice, which wasn't recieved well. Sutter also didn't play Tkachuk in OT as much as Tkachuk would have liked. Believe MT has something to say about this on Spittin' Chicklets after he signed in FLA.

There was also the Muzzin/stick flip incident which seemed to still be reverberating. Believe it was Sec who posted that offseason that the writing was on the wall. Tkachuk wouldn't be staying long term. So, it was known, or it shouldn't have caught anyone by surprise Tkachuk left. People can place all the blame at Treliving/the Flames feet but if Tkachuk wanted to stay, he would have. This was Tkachuk's decision. People seem to want to overlook that in an attempt to find a throat to choke.

Treliving/the Flames deserve full criticism for signing Huberdeau to that deal but up to that point, they actually handeled the Tkachuk situation fairly well.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Yeah they were pretty terrible seasons alright. If you think .8 PPG seasons make a good player unworthy of a big deal then I guess the bar is pretty high.

If Treliving had any guts he would have signed him and Tkachuk long term knowing that they are good players that had fallen victim to a down season and all the covid bs surrounding it.

0.8 PPG isn't bad for a guy who can check, win battles, win faceoffs, stand up for his teammates.......

If Guadreau wasn't scoring, he's not doing much else. So the bar, as far as scoring goes, ought to be pretty high for a guy who is making $9.75 (could have been $10.5). PPG would be a minimum, I'd say.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Except for the locker room racism issues.

Think they could've netted better for the team, starting at the time when Gulutzan stepped in.

How would the Flames have known that? Guess they should have asked Peters during the interview 'Are you a racist?'

After all, most companies ask this during interviews, right?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This flies in the face of nearly everything that has been said publicly and acknowledged by the Flames themselves, so I’d question the validity of what you’ve heard.

You seem like you've been a hockey fan for a long time. How often is 'what is said publicly' accurate?

Like...not liking the weather and so changing teams because of that.

More often, you have to infer from evidence.

Such as...Treliving wasn't renewed. Treliving wasn't allowed to interview with other teams (until Daddy showed up) and then Treliving's replacement in Conroy essentially took Treliving's creation....and burnt it to the ground.

What would one infer from that information? Couple that with what I hear from here and there?

I think its pretty clear that Treliving screwed up a few times too many and became 'Persona Non Grata.'

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Even the Tkachuk draft was pure dumb luck. Tkachuk should not have been there at 6 and taking him was a no-brainer. I guess he still gets credit for not screwing that up the way Vancouver did the pick before, but it's still not that impressive. I'd say that Tkachuk falling to the Flames fits in the more good luck category.

Agree with everything else you said. He had far more good luck than bad luck. He inherited a Noris winning defenseman and the best top pairing in the league for several years. Of course, then intentionally broke up that pairing to play Brodie on his off side...

I mean what's clear is that Treliving deserves no credit whatsoever. Everything he did that could be interpreted as positive was either dumb luck, or likely others who told him what to do.

Whether a player plays on the right side or the left is a coaching decision....

Are the beer tents at the Lilac festival open and people are just getting absolutely daisted today or something?? man, a lot of shortsighted terrible takes today.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This means almost nothing. Of course other things may or may not have happened.

Does Tkachuk stay? maybe. Worth reminding everyone that Tkachuk and Sutter didn't see eye to eye on a number of things. When Sutter came in he cut Tkachuk's ice, which wasn't recieved well. Sutter also didn't play Tkachuk in OT as much as Tkachuk would have liked. Believe MT has something to say about this on Spittin' Chicklets after he signed in FLA.

There was also the Muzzin/stick flip incident which seemed to still be reverberating. Believe it was Sec who posted that offseason that the writing was on the wall. Tkachuk wouldn't be staying long term. So, it was known, or it shouldn't have caught anyone by surprise Tkachuk left. People can place all the blame at Treliving/the Flames feet but if Tkachuk wanted to stay, he would have. This was Tkachuk's decision. People seem to want to overlook that in an attempt to find a throat to choke.

Treliving/the Flames deserve full criticism for signing Huberdeau to that deal but up to that point, they actually handeled the Tkachuk situation fairly well.

Sutter and Tkachuk was never going to work.

Tkachuk wants ice time and he wants the spotlight. Sutter doesn’t like that and said multiple times during the season he didn’t care for stats.

Also seemed like he wanted him to be more a throwback power forward.

It’s actually pretty sad to watch the playoffs with pieces of the 2022 Flames team on almost every team.

Florida core is made up of 2 of our highest draft picks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I mean what's clear is that Treliving deserves no credit whatsoever. Everything he did that could be interpreted as positive was either dumb luck, or likely others who told him what to do.

Whether a player plays on the right side or the left is a coaching decision....

Are the beer tents at the Lilac festival open and people are just getting absolutely daisted today or something?? man, a lot of shortsighted terrible takes today.

We had a trade worked out with the Blue Jackets to trade up to 3 to take Tkachuk. He was the target all along. It’s in Burkes book. They got intel that the Jackets would take PLD pretty much clearing the way for Tkachuk to fall to us.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

You seem like you've been a hockey fan for a long time. How often is 'what is said publicly' accurate?

Like...not liking the weather and so changing teams because of that.

More often, you have to infer from evidence.

Such as...Treliving wasn't renewed. Treliving wasn't allowed to interview with other teams (until Daddy showed up) and then Treliving's replacement in Conroy essentially took Treliving's creation....and burnt it to the ground.

What would one infer from that information? Couple that with what I hear from here and there?

I think its pretty clear that Treliving screwed up a few times too many and became 'Persona Non Grata.'

So, it actually sounds like you don't know, after all.

Believe it's widely known the Flames wanted Treliving to stay. It was Treliving who left. There was some belief that Treliving said 'either Sutter or me' and when Sutter wasn't let go, initially, Treliving bolted. It was Treliving's decision. He set the terms and the Flames didn't meet it. How do you explain the Maloney and Bean press conference and the weeks of reporting afterwards?

Conroy burnt it to the ground? what are you talking about. He sold pending UFA's. What GM would not have done that in Conroy's shoes? It's not like he made some bold orgainizataional decision. He did what was plain staring him in the face. Lets also be clear that Conroy tried to resign Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev. He did resign Backlund.