According to Coleman, Tkachuk wanted to stay

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Amusing to think that the Toronto organization saw that and immediately was like "we need to give this guy the keys to our team."

People see Treliving in a weird light.
Even here the thread for Treliving leaving was a mourning thread. One of the saddest days I've seen on CP.
He seems to have a way of impressing people.

[kukkudo]

Like I said earlier, he was willing to stay at the 11M per year with a C slapped on his chest. Flames management group did not want to do that.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Too bad they didn't know that he could grow into the role and the cap hit.

Tkachuk and Bennett are leading a team to the finals. Turns out the Flames had some of the right pieces all along. They just lacked the patience.

Something that seems to plague a number of Canadian teams.

[topfiverecords]

Does that website have enough ads?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People see Treliving in a weird light.
Even here the thread for Treliving leaving was a mourning thread. One of the saddest days I've seen on CP.
He seems to have a way of impressing people.

Treliving had a cult following which I always found very weird. For a long time, it was like walking on eggshells trying to respectfully criticize him without upsetting people. I am so glad that he is gone. He might be the nicest guy in the world, but a lot of his management choices were terrible and set this franchise back years. It's still somewhat alarming that Edwards offered him a contract extension though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't say they were poor seasons at just below a PPG and he was saddled with a Babcock clone in Peters and a guy that was out of his element as a coach in Ward. Treliving did what he always did when it came to contract negotiations and played hardball. Regardless it's in the past now and it's time to just move on.

The same Peters who got career years out of Johnny, Monny, Lindholm, Gio, and Tkachuk? 2nd 50 win season in franchise history?

Johnny was trash for 2.5 years. He has himself to blame.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Too bad they didn't know that he could grow into the role and the cap hit.

Tkachuk and Bennett are leading a team to the finals. Turns out the Flames had some of the right pieces all along. They just lacked the patience.

Something that seems to plague a number of Canadian teams.

As a fan of the Calgary Flames, as long as there's been Calgary Flames, that's the bitter pill. They've never been able to commit to the right people - going all the way back to the 1990s sell off... or even Brett Hull (though that didn't cost us that time). When you dig into the why, it seems to be an almost Ballard level of ownership interference in the running of the team. Fear of spending too much on a player, or setting a precedent. Blame me of hindsight bias, but a lot of their decision that were fumbled were pretty damn easy to get right, they had to go out of their way to get them wrong.

It's their toy, they can play with it however they like, but I don't know any other team in any sport that gets it wrong so often.

That's why this rebuild will be interesting, just as the last one was. We'll get many of the right pieces again, get attached to them and that will be fun to watch until the Flames #### it up.

[Roof-Daddy]

Treliving actually did a lot of good things and made a lot of really good moves.

He did build the best team we've had in the last 20 or even 30 years.

He sucked at coaching hires though, like really, really terrible.

And he also had some #### luck as well. Like an ELC Norris winner refusing to sign, and Monahan dealing with serious injuries right when the Flames were hitting the apex of that rebuild cycle. Bennett being a slow developer was also not good, especially when combined with the Monahan injuries, but part of that is likely due to the previously mentioned awful coaching hires.

[chedder]

Treliving was and is a below average manager who can talk the talk and that's it. He'll get the same results in Toronto and that'll be it for his NHL General Manager career. In a few years it'll be Brad who?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by chedder

Treliving was and is a below average manager who can talk the talk and that's it. He'll get the same results in Toronto and that'll be it for his NHL General Manager career. In a few years it'll be Brad who?

Nah, there's always a market for useless GMs.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Like I said earlier, he was willing to stay at the 11M per year with a C slapped on his chest. Flames management group did not want to do that.

As I mentioned before, before the dumb assed bridge contract his agent wanted 8x$8.5m and Treliving in his wisdom decided to save a few bucks and lowball his star winger right to free agency.

Outside of Treliving's own mouth this was from as good of a source as you can get.

[Igottago]

Having 2 star players leave within a week was one of the worst things I've seen happen to a sports franchise, let alone a hockey franchise. It's unbelievable that even after that monumental blow up under his watch, there were still people wanting to keep Treliving around.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't buy the 8x8.5

No way an owner knows that was what was on the table, and the player left and lets a GM keep his job.

[saillias]

Haven't heard that one before. Actually rumors were (from a CP insider) that Tkachuk already wanted out by that off season, had asked for a trade to an American market, and avoided contact with his team mates all summer... this was in the aftermath of the "there can't be a riot every night" Muzzin incident remember.

But, if both Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanted to sign that off season??? Then that reflects very badly on ownership and Treliving. Probably Maloney and Conroy too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Like I said earlier, he was willing to stay at the 11M per year with a C slapped on his chest. Flames management group did not want to do that.

Probably on a 5-6 year deal too.

[Manhattanboy]

Saddest part was when he said that at the time he thought the window for the Flames was wide open for a while.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

That isn't what he said.

He said Gaudreau wanted to stay and tried to get a contract done the year prior and he wasn't happy about how that process was going.

He said maybe Tkachuk would have stayed in Johnny did but he isn't sure.

I'd heard the offer was in the $6M range, and Johnny was really put off and it was effectively when he decided to move on.

[ResAlien]

Saw that interview yesterday. I thought Coleman said Johnny wanted to re-sign the previous summer and he thought if Johnny had stayed Tkachuk doesn’t ask to leave.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If Tre went with vereran coaches instead of AHL guys or lifetime assistants trying to crack the league, who knows what they would've got out of that core. That definitely wasn't the time to develop a green coach.

Even a pretty mediocre vet coach in Hartley got a run out of them early on. He played games and was tough on particular players, but he got his teams to put out.

Then Brad had to go and try to be smart and make his mark.

Gulutzan, Peters, Ward were a waste of time. Sutter was inserted too late in the game but he demonstrated why they needed to spend to get a proven coach behind the bench when all the top young talents were there.

I hope that Conroy learned from Treliving's mistakes and doesn't try to cut corners or get too smart with positions like the HC when the next young core begins to gel here.

I hope they let players grow and don't cut ties prematurely unless things are truly at an impasse. i.e. What became of the Bennett return? Not good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Gulutzan was the downfall of the team, just a terrible coach. A cheap awful hire.

Peters was ok.

I think it is also a Treliving vision to have his team play for corsi stats.