According to Coleman, Tkachuk wanted to stay

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People see Treliving in a weird light.
Even here the thread for Treliving leaving was a mourning thread. One of the saddest days I've seen on CP.
He seems to have a way of impressing people.

Hes a good politician

And can we fix the title for this thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

People see Treliving in a weird light.
Even here the thread for Treliving leaving was a mourning thread. One of the saddest days I've seen on CP.
He seems to have a way of impressing people.

I thought he was a terrible GM the entire time he was here and have a long posting history stating as much. Losing him was a complete blessing, one of the brighter days in the last 10 years from a management perspective.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Treliving actually did a lot of good things and made a lot of really good moves.

He did build the best team we've had in the last 20 or even 30 years.

He sucked at coaching hires though, like really, really terrible.

And he also had some #### luck as well. Like an ELC Norris winner refusing to sign, and Monahan dealing with serious injuries right when the Flames were hitting the apex of that rebuild cycle. Bennett being a slow developer was also not good, especially when combined with the Monahan injuries, but part of that is likely due to the previously mentioned awful coaching hires.

He did have some pretty good luck like inheriting Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, Backlund (basically the heart of the team). Made one real good draft pick in Tkachuk and then traded away futures to eventually get Lindholm, Hanifin and Hamonic.

[Major Major]

What was the rumored deal for Gaudreau leading up to his last year? What were the trade offers before he got his trade protection that summer?

These things matter when we litigate this situation.

My larger critique of BT is the second Gaudreau contract. It should have been 8 years and they shouldn't have been so concerned about not paying him more than Gio. Unrealistic to have a captain cap and he shot himself in the foot.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'd heard the offer was in the $6M range, and Johnny was really put off and it was effectively when he decided to move on.

Well to be fair, Johnny only had 49 points in 56 games that season, and only 58p in 70 games the year before. He wasnt looking like he was worth much more than $6.5 maybe 7 at the most, and i assume Treliving expected a counter offer.

Other than the 115 point contract year that next season, Johnny has had 2 seasons in Columbus most similar to the 2 years prior, with 74p in 80games and 60p in 81 games this year.

Treliving made a lot of mistakes but signing johnny to a huge contract would have been another (although may have avoided the Huberdeau mistake)

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Well to be fair, Johnny only had 49 points in 56 games that season, and only 58p in 70 games the year before. He wasnt looking like he was worth much more than $6.5 maybe 7 at the most, and i assume Treliving expected a counter offer.

Other than the 115 point contract year that next season, Johnny has had 2 seasons in Columbus most similar to the 2 years prior, with 74p in 80games and 60p in 81 games this year.

Treliving made a lot of mistakes but signing johnny to a huge contract would have been another (although may have avoided the Huberdeau mistake)

In this case though, around $8M would have been close to market for Johnny, and if they'd signed him in that range a lot of what's transpired since might not have.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is talking about Johnny, and said they tried to negotiate a deal the summer prior which everyone knows about.

It's the same thing over and over again. He was not going to get a big deal after 2.5 poor seasons.

Yeah they were pretty terrible seasons alright. If you think .8 PPG seasons make a good player unworthy of a big deal then I guess the bar is pretty high.

If Treliving had any guts he would have signed him and Tkachuk long term knowing that they are good players that had fallen victim to a down season and all the covid bs surrounding it.

[Zary's-Mustache]

How is this new news? Tkachuk has mentioned this before several times.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Treliving is responsible for what has to be one of the worst management fumbles in NHL history.

It's sad that you could be talking about the Gaudreau situation, the Tkachuk situation, the Monahan trade, the Huberdeau signing, the Hamonic trade, the Neal signing, or any/all of his coaching hires.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Gulutzan was the downfall of the team, just a terrible coach. A cheap awful hire.

Peters was ok.

I think it is also a Treliving vision to have his team play for corsi stats.

Except for the locker room racism issues.

Think they could've netted better for the team, starting at the time when Gulutzan stepped in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Yeah they were pretty terrible seasons alright. If you think .8 PPG seasons make a good player unworthy of a big deal then I guess the bar is pretty high.

If Treliving had any guts he would have signed him and Tkachuk long term knowing that they are good players that had fallen victim to a down season and all the covid bs surrounding it.

Other teams stars didn't cry, I only see excuses for these 2. Everyone had a rough go during covid, but it seems like these 2 had it the worst.

Auston Matthews wasn't missing his family. Kyle Connor? McDavid?

Poor guys. Was it covid that impacted them the season prior?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

It's sad that you could be talking about the Gaudreau situation, the Tkachuk situation, the Monahan trade, the Huberdeau signing, the Hamonic trade, the Neal signing, or any/all of his coaching hires.

The Hamonic trade is the worst one. Only wanted to go back to Western Canada so we could have underpaid for him. It was a reverse-American!

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He did have some pretty good luck like inheriting Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Giordano, Backlund (basically the heart of the team). Made one real good draft pick in Tkachuk and then traded away futures to eventually get Lindholm, Hanifin and Hamonic.

Even the Tkachuk draft was pure dumb luck. Tkachuk should not have been there at 6 and taking him was a no-brainer. I guess he still gets credit for not screwing that up the way Vancouver did the pick before, but it's still not that impressive. I'd say that Tkachuk falling to the Flames fits in the more good luck category.

Agree with everything else you said. He had far more good luck than bad luck. He inherited a Noris winning defenseman and the best top pairing in the league for several years. Of course, then intentionally broke up that pairing to play Brodie on his off side...

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

How is this new news? Tkachuk has mentioned this before several times.

Well, it depends. OP's post is incorrect as Coleman never said that Tkachuk wanted to stay - he was talking about Johnny's group working on an extension the summer before his last season and how the relationship between the Flames and Johnny's camp wasn't great. So, if we're talking about Johnny wanting to stay at one point, then yes, this is very old news.

If we're talking about Chucky wanting to stay (as indicated by OP), then no, it's not what Coleman suggested anywhere in his interview. But this thread has taken a life of its own now with people assuming that Coleman in fact did suggest that Chucky wanted to extend.

[calumniate]

I don't trust the 'process' and everytime I hear Tre say those words I can't stop laughing. He'll do it to the leafs now. Dude is a 'process' machine, process of dismantling

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, it depends. OP's post is incorrect as Coleman never said that Tkachuk wanted to stay - he was talking about Johnny's group working on an extension the summer before his last season and how the relationship between the Flames and Johnny's camp wasn't great. So, if we're talking about Johnny wanting to stay at one point, then yes, this is very old news.

If we're talking about Chucky wanting to stay (as indicated by OP), then no, it's not what Coleman suggested anywhere in his interview. But this thread has taken a life of its own now with people assuming that Coleman in fact did suggest that Chucky wanted to extend.

Ah ok because Tkachuk has said before he wanted to sign long term and Flames management wasn't interested to "keep the team together"

Treliving is an idiot.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Pay your key guys and show that you're in their corner. The most abundantly obvious lesson to take out of the Gaudreau/Tkachuk outcome.

But make sure you shell out for the catalysts first and foremost. No 9.25 for Nurse shenanigans.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, it depends. OP's post is incorrect as Coleman never said that Tkachuk wanted to stay - he was talking about Johnny's group working on an extension the summer before his last season and how the relationship between the Flames and Johnny's camp wasn't great. So, if we're talking about Johnny wanting to stay at one point, then yes, this is very old news.

If we're talking about Chucky wanting to stay (as indicated by OP), then no, it's not what Coleman suggested anywhere in his interview. But this thread has taken a life of its own now with people assuming that Coleman in fact did suggest that Chucky wanted to extend.

The OP simply used the headline the article I linked said. If people want to debate on if that is what Coleman meant or not is fine, it creates discussion.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

It's sad that you could be talking about the Gaudreau situation, the Tkachuk situation, the Monahan trade, the Huberdeau signing, the Hamonic trade, the Neal signing, or any/all of his coaching hires.

The Neal and Brouwer signings - I'll never understand the rationale for those.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wish we fired Treliving instead of letting him walk. Scummy way to leave as well.