[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I wouldn't say spite but if the deals were similar heck yeah I am sending him to the west

Yeah, that is what I said when it went down. If the offers are about the same then send him west. I'd be surprised if Tampa offered something clearly better and Conroy passed out of spite.

[Jiggy]

If his agent didn't hold the Flames hostage why did his agent reach out to Francis to write a puff peace about him lol

[dustygoon]

I think comments by both Friedman and Hanifin are consistent with each other. His number 1 choice might have been Tampa, but given the L-NTC, he could have been sent to a lot of teams. So he gave a list of teams he would sign with.

“I felt I should give Calgary a list of teams I would sign with, and then it got out there I was holding the team hostage and would only sign with one team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

If his agent didn't hold the Flames hostage why did his agent reach out to Francis to write a puff peace about him lol

'Hostage' lol. Do you think Hanifin should have just signed with the team that would offer the most in order to benefit the Flames or should he have lied and said he'd be open to re-signing and then bail on the acquiring team?

I don't remember hearing Stone or H Lindholm holding their teams hostage when they had a preference on where they wanted to sign.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

'Hostage' lol. Do you think Hanifin should have just signed with the team that would offer the most in order to benefit the Flames or should he have lied and said he'd be open to re-signing and then bail on the acquiring team?

I don't remember hearing Stone or H Lindholm holding their teams hostage when they had a preference on where they wanted to sign.

In the article it referenced holding the Flames hostage.

Hanifin's agent was calling teams back in the summer saying not to trade for him which is why the market for him was not the best.

[SuperMatt18]

I think the term hostage was used because Frank Seravailli has no real journalistic integrity and likes to over dramatize everything for clicks and views.

Was Hanifin providing the Flames with the a huge list of team's he'd re-sign with? Nope, but even based on his answer today "East Coast, Closer to Family" I feel like the initial lists that were going around of Boston, Tampa, and Florida made sense.

Doesn't seem like Boston or Florida had much interest in trading for him in the end, so it ended up being Tampa that had the inside track.

Now there was the other Frank report that said "He was telling teams he didn't want to be a rental" but in the end he had no real power to enforce that with a 8 team NTC.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I believe Hanifin.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...line-decision/

I mean, he says he 'personally' never felt he was doing that. Sure, he didn't 'feel' that way. But that elides an actual disclosure of what actually happened so we can judge his actions versus his feelings.

And Conroy is not going to tell any player to their face that they're trying to mess with him. It would just be bad business to accuse a player and their agent of bad faith.

Conroy did make it clear that he thinks what happened is just part of the business. That's about as clear an indication that Noah's side exerted whatever pressure and leverage they could.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

In the article it referenced holding the Flames hostage.

Hanifin's agent was calling teams back in the summer saying not to trade for him which is why the market for him was not the best.

Huh?

We had no intention of trading him up until now. He even said they tried to sign him last week.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It would be a question of who do you think is better in 2026. I think Vegas has the bigger potential to bust in two years over Tampa.

That's a great question. Tampa has the better top six IMO, mostly because they have a top goaltender under contract. Vegas has better depth, especially down the middle. They have no goaltender under contract which is a wild card. Frankly, I wouldn't bet on either busting in the next two years. Both teams just have too many good players and have good management which always seems to find a way to get the talent they need. A better target would have been Boston, who seems like they are a house of cards just waiting for the wind to come up. Three forwards under contract for 2025-26, four defensemen, and no goaltenders. They do have three RFAs that could provide some depth, but they are thin.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huh?

We had no intention of trading him up until now. He even said they tried to sign him last week.

The Flames gauged the market on Hanifin back in th summer. No one would bite cause Brisson told teams not to trade for him.

Before Conroy traded Tanev and Hanifin he told them a contract offer was still on the table if they wanted to sign. It doesn't mean they went out of their way to try and sign them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

In the article it referenced holding the Flames hostage.

Hanifin's agent was calling teams back in the summer saying not to trade for him which is why the market for him was not the best.

So it circles back to you think he should have lied to teams that he'd re-sign or he should re-sign with the team that gave the best offer to the Flames. The offers out of teams that only wanted him if he'd re-sign would not have been better if they were told they couldn't negotiate with him.

Flames decided to hold onto Hanifin until the deadline and their leverage decreased and Hanifin's increased.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That's a great question. Tampa has the better top six IMO, mostly because they have a top goaltender under contract. Vegas has better depth, especially down the middle. They have no goaltender under contract which is a wild card. Frankly, I wouldn't bet on either busting in the next two years. Both teams just have too many good players and have good management which always seems to find a way to get the talent they need. A better target would have been Boston, who seems like they are a house of cards just waiting for the wind to come up. Three forwards under contract for 2025-26, four defensemen, and no goaltenders. They do have three RFAs that could provide some depth, but they are thin.

For sure. I don't expect that pick to a top ten pick or anything but as it stands today I'd take Vegas to be worse. Definitely agree on Boston but maybe that is why they didn't make the trade.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So it circles back to you think he should have lied to teams that he'd re-sign or he should re-sign with the team that gave the best offer to the Flames. The offers out of teams that only wanted him if he'd re-sign would not have been better if they were told they couldn't negotiate with him.

Flames decided to hold onto Hanifin until the deadline and their leverage decreased and Hanifin's increased.

It has nothing to do with him wanting to re-sign. Agents don't usually call teams to say don't trade for my client. That's tampering.

Hanifin didn't want to move twice in one year, but he only had a 8 team no trade list so his agent did the dirty work for him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Players having control is the point of NMCs/NTCs. It's hard to criticize them when the time comes and the players uses them to control where they go. It will often diminish the return you can get though. It's dumb that the NHL allows trade clauses as much as they do, but it is what it is.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

It has nothing to do with him wanting to re-sign. Agents don't usually call teams to say don't trade for my client. That's tampering.

Hanifin didn't want to move twice in one year, but he only had a 8 team no trade list so his agent did the dirty work for him.

The trade return was definitely dependent upon him re-signing. You think the Flames would have got a better return in the summer (where the value in general was terrible trade wise) from a team that was looking to flip him at the deadline?
Hanifin had a list of 5 teams (Vegas, Tampa, Florida, Boston, and maybe LA), there were enough teams in the mix that could have paid up to get him. They didn't.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They almost certainly knew, as Vegas likely told them. "We want to do the 26 1st, because we want to keep the 25 available to add another piece"

To Conroy's credit, they made a very savvy move... they could have just said "okay, we'll take the 26, but we want another 3rd, or 4th (or whatever)". Instead, they said "we'll take the 25 with the condition that if you use it elsewhere, it becomes the 26". the difference, by doing it that way, is Vegas couldn't protect the 26.

MUCH more potential, doing it like that. And then Vegas pulled the trigger, and it all came to fruition.

Really solid piece of negotiating.

Yes. Conroy had mentioned in one of his interviews that they were aware Vegas had something in play that would require their '25 1st.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's dumb that the NHL allows trade clauses as much as they do, but it is what it is.

It was part of the deal to allow a salary cap to exist, which was a huge give by the players association.

The NHL doesn't "allow" it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

The Flames gauged the market on Hanifin back in th summer. No one would bite cause Brisson told teams not to trade for him.

Before Conroy traded Tanev and Hanifin he told them a contract offer was still on the table if they wanted to sign. It doesn't mean they went out of their way to try and sign them.

Where in the article did it say Briason told teams in summer not to trade for him?

Hanifin said the same thing in article that I’ve been saying all year… he wasn’t going to sign with just anybody so flames could get best return possible. He gave them a list of 2-3 teams and a couple didn’t seem interested. Why should he expand his list?

[starseed]

So here is a dream scenario.

Vegas is just outside a spot in trade deadline 25/2026. They decide to sell and make room for an off-season bid for Conor MacDavid. Vegas drops to the bottom 10. Flames win the lottery with Vegas pick in 2026. Conner MacDavis signs with Vegas in the summer.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by starseed

So here is a dream scenario.

Vegas is just outside a spot in trade deadline 25/2026. They decide to sell and make room for an off-season bid for Conor MacDavid. Vegas drops to the bottom 10. Flames win the lottery with Vegas pick in 2026. Conner MacDavis signs with Vegas in the summer.

Nah he can go east