[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[flames_fan_down_under]

Just knowing what we now know with all the returns we saw at the trade dead line it’s pretty obvious Conroy did as well as he could considering all of the restrictions in place with various no trade clauses and league wide cap issues.

This is the outcome the Flames needed to move on from a good but ultimately not great core of players.

It’s still very interesting how many Russians we picked up.

[Geeoff]

At the end of the day, I wonder if the allure of that 2026 unprotected 1st was the difference maker. It is an interesting lottery ticket

[getbak]

Originally Posted by AC

But Tkachuk wasn't an imminent UFA at that time, he was only about to enter his last season. He forced a move early so it made sense to maximize his return with a sign and trade.

In reality a sign and trade for a pending UFA hasn't happened. Trading for someone's rights to get the exclusive negotiation has, but you only get 7 years max that way. Not sure Tampa or Florida would care about the 8th year necessarily.

Tkachuk was an RFA, so the Flames still had control over him, but his contract was expired. If he still had a year left, Florida could have traded for him straight-up and signed him to an 8-year deal without the Flames involvement.



Last year, Damon Severson was a sign-and-trade between New Jersey and Columbus as a pending UFA. The Devils signed him to an 8-year deal, then traded him to Columbus. In the end, they didn't get much compensation for doing it -- only a third round pick (that they later flipped to Calgary in the Sharangovich trade).



It's possible that Vegas flips Hanifin to Tampa in a similar deal after the season ends, but the return will likely be more like what the Devils got for Severson rather than the haul the Flames got for Tkachuk.

[traptor]

I bet it was a protected 2026 1st + thompson

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

At the end of the day, I wonder if the allure of that 2026 unprotected 1st was the difference maker. It is an interesting lottery ticket

I doubt it, the further out the pick, the less protection it has

Isn’t the Flames pick in the Monahan deal unprotected also if some how it rolls out to 2026?

[Toonage]

Tampa could protect the 2026 1st, and probably would have.

The Vegas 26 unprotected was a negotiated condition.

[dino7c]

I wouldn't say spite but if the deals were similar heck yeah I am sending him to the west

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tampa could protect the 2026 1st, and probably would have.

The Vegas 26 unprotected was a negotiated condition.

Not only that but they probably knew that Vegas was trying to spend the 25

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I wouldn't say spite but if the deals were similar heck yeah I am sending him to the west

Blocking the oilers is an easy tie breaker.

[Mass_nerder]

I really was happy with Hanifin's time in Calgary. He was dependable, seemed like a good teammate/was well liked in the room, and seemed like a good guy with the media/community; however, the way he and his agent went about their business over the last month really poisoned my opinion of Hanifin. I get wanting to have a say in where you play, but to tamper in potential trades/significantly affect the team's ability to conduct its business is really ####ty.
It's petty, but I hope he can't get the 8th year on the contract.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think it's possible Noah meant well but was also careless and didn't consider this from a Flames/leverage perspective when he let his desire to land in Tampa become known and leaked through the agent/whoever.

This is a situation where you just say, I'll get the plane ticket to wherever the gm has to send me that's within my limited no trade and we'll set our sights on Tampa on July 1.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Not only that but they probably knew that Vegas was trying to spend the 25

They almost certainly knew, as Vegas likely told them. "We want to do the 26 1st, because we want to keep the 25 available to add another piece"

To Conroy's credit, they made a very savvy move... they could have just said "okay, we'll take the 26, but we want another 3rd, or 4th (or whatever)". Instead, they said "we'll take the 25 with the condition that if you use it elsewhere, it becomes the 26". the difference, by doing it that way, is Vegas couldn't protect the 26.

MUCH more potential, doing it like that. And then Vegas pulled the trigger, and it all came to fruition.

Really solid piece of negotiating.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I think it's possible Noah meant well but was also careless and didn't consider this from a Flames/leverage perspective when he let his desire to land in Tampa become known and leaked through the agent/whoever.

This is a situation where you just say, I'll get the plane ticket to wherever the gm has to send me that's within my limited no trade and we'll set our sights on Tampa on July 1.

I think it was pretty deliberate; he wanted an 8 year deal, and he wanted to go to Tampa. The only way to achieve that was to either get there at the deadline, or hope for a sign and trade from whatever team he ended up with, before July 1st, which Tampa I'm sure didn't want to have to pay for.
Tampa knows he wants to come there (his agent has already worked out the extension), so I don't think it's a stretch that his agent colluded with the lightning to force Calgary's hand. Hanifin's agent leaks that he wants to go to Tampa, then starts telling other interested teams that he won't sign, while the Lighting offer juuuuust enough to edge out other offers based on Hanifin's rental value.
It seems like Vegas maybe decided at the last minute to up their offer to edge out Tampa.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They almost certainly knew, as Vegas likely told them. "We want to do the 26 1st, because we want to keep the 25 available to add another piece"

To Conroy's credit, they made a very savvy move... they could have just said "okay, we'll take the 26, but we want another 3rd, or 4th (or whatever)". Instead, they said "we'll take the 25 with the condition that if you use it elsewhere, it becomes the 26". the difference, by doing it that way, is Vegas couldn't protect the 26.

MUCH more potential, doing it like that. And then Vegas pulled the trigger, and it all came to fruition.

Really solid piece of negotiating.

It has potential. But it is (IMO) more likely that the Golden Knights are still competitive in 2025-26 and that this first round pick is late. But even if it isn't, I still expect the Golden Knights to make the playoffs and as such lottery protection is moot.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

It has potential. But it is (IMO) more likely that the Golden Knights are still competitive in 2025-26 and that this first round pick is late. But even if it isn't, I still expect the Golden Knights to make the playoffs and as such lottery protection is moot.

Likely, yes. But you never know.

Which would you rather have: a 25 pick, top 10 protected, or a 26 unprotected pick? And remember, Vegas' core is old, and beat up.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

At the end of the day, I wonder if the allure of that 2026 unprotected 1st was the difference maker. It is an interesting lottery ticket

If you're going to take a future pick like that you better be looking long and hard at what the roster leading up to that pick looks like to understand the potential for that pick to turn into something. Vegas had a very good roster to begin with and that was not going to change with this trade. If anything, it had potential to make them stronger and the likelihood of that pick being worse.

[Johnny Makarov]

I hope Tampa gets bounced in round 1 of the playoffs and then start a 7 year streak of missing them next year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

His comments about a team wanting you, and he only will go out east makes it seem like Tampa was the only choice, and Brisson screwed around. Boston most likely was not ready to commit to him.

Good on Conroy for not being pushed around and getting a great deal. Tampa probably was not offering a great deal since they knew Hanifin would only play for them. It's also funny because Tampa was in a situation a while back, St. Louis being a baby after being left off Team Canada wanted a trade to New York only. Yzerman was able to get a good deal in that situation.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I hope Tampa gets bounced in round 1 of the playoffs and then start a 7 year streak of missing them next year.

No you don’t. If they beat Edmonton we get a better pick and the satisfaction of McDavid and pissy possibly being mad enough to leave.

Edit: thought you said Vegas. Nm

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If you're going to take a future pick like that you better be looking long and hard at what the roster leading up to that pick looks like to understand the potential for that pick to turn into something. Vegas had a very good roster to begin with and that was not going to change with this trade. If anything, it had potential to make them stronger and the likelihood of that pick being worse.

It would be a question of who do you think is better in 2026. I think Vegas has the bigger potential to bust in two years over Tampa.