[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha

I'd still take winning the next two because you don't know for sure if they'd even win the McKenna lottery

Now I'm curious though, if the Flames won the draft lottery in the 2024 and 2025 drafts, could they still win it with another teams pick in 2026 or are they ineligible to win it with ANY pick?

I think they could, because technically Vegas would have won the lottery and traded the pick.

But I have no idea, could not find a definitive answer.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No 8 year deal at his preferred destination lol
Can't help but think this was partly a big F you to him and his camp. Want to be in the Eastern US? How's Vegas?

With similar offers I 100% would do the same

I'm sure he doesn't mind going to a team with a legit shot to win the Cup for a few months.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I think they have too much talent to decline by then, unless they decide to blow it up. What will there UFA situation be in 2026?

Hard to predict 2 years from now, other than Eichel their best players will be well into their 30's and they're not full of high quality prospects or picks.

As for the UFA's, due to cap problems can they keep Marchessault, Stephenson and Theodore?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think they could, because technically Vegas would have won the lottery and traded the pick.

But I have no idea, could not find a definitive answer.

The rule only includes your own first round pick iirc. You could conceivably win the lottery 3 times with someone else's pick

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I’ve never understood the issue with unprotected future 1sts other than the current GM May not be around to reap the benefits. I’ve always preferred unprotected 1sts in future years (hardly care how far it’s pushed out) vs current yr protected 1sts or guaranteed late 1sts.

pretty much, you have the Kessel-Seguin opportunity anytime you're getting an unprotected first more than a year away.

[jg13]

Big opening night for Hanifin against Detroit. 2 assists, +3 and 20:26 ice.

I really hope they can get into the 3rd pacific spot and clown the Oilers. Whatever happens after that to Vegas I really don't care.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'm sure he doesn't mind going to a team with a legit shot to win the Cup for a few months.

Any team acquiring him at the deadline would have a chance at the cup.

But he tried to steer things to two Florida teams so he could sign an 8 year deal and avoid being a rental and entering the market.

If he's still set on Florida the Flames certainly wrecked his plan.

[activeStick]

I believe Hanifin.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...line-decision/

Noah Hanifin wants to set the record straight on the parameters surrounding his departure from Calgary.

His love and respect for the organization, and city he was proud to call home for six years, means too much for him to ignore the narrative he felt tainted his final weeks as a Flame.

“I was never holding the Flames hostage,” said the 27-year-old defenceman from his hotel room in suburban Vegas.

“That was one of the more difficult things to hear towards the end because I personally felt I was never doing that.

“Talking to Connie (Flames GM Craig Conroy) I don’t think either side felt that.”

“I was so honoured and humbled by the belief Connie and the organization had in me to commit to me for eight years, but ultimately it was a family decision and Connie totally understood,” said Hanifin, who had two assists in his second game with Vegas Saturday.

“Connie has been such an important person in my career, even before he was GM.

When I was 22 and 23, and finding my game, he was a guy who encouraged me and gave me confidence and told me I could take another step and be a better player.

“That’s what made the decision so hard.

“He’s a good man and he’s going to put them in a good spot.”

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Any team acquiring him at the deadline would have a chance at the cup.

But he tried to steer things to two Florida teams so he could sign an 8 year deal and avoid being a rental and entering the market.

If he's still set on Florida the Flames certainly wrecked his plan.

Can LV do a sign and trade for a low pick in offseason with a Florida team to get the 8 year deal ?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sounds like he will be a rental for Vegas.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767209459313410425

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767210316499189814

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767210434791104568

[Ashasx]

Oh no, who would have thought that another team would be willing to offer more than us?

Tampa should have paid up.

[SuperMatt18]

Would be interesting to know what the Tampa offer was.

I'm assuming their 2026 1st...but maybe that was never on the table. I doubt Conroy would ever actually take a lesser return just to spite Hanifin, but maybe if the returns were equal then they took the Vegas offer just to be a bit petty.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would be interesting to know what the Tampa offer was.

I'm assuming their 2026 1st...but maybe that was never on the table. I doubt Conroy would ever actually take a lesser return just to spite Hanifin, but maybe if the returns were equal then they took the Vegas offer just to be a bit petty.

Probably the 2026 1st as it's the next available one, but perhaps they wanted protection on it?

[sureLoss]

Yes, Hanifin could still get a 8 year deal in Tampa if Vegas does a sign and trade.

But Vegas isn't going to do it out of the kindness of their hearts. They are going to want something in return.

And Tampa probably wants the 8th year as it probably lowers the AAV of the contract instead of a 7 year contract. Question is how much they value that AAV reduction and if that will be in the ball park of what Vegas is asking.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It might've been unintentional but it still hurt their search in locking down the best deal.

A d-man this age having that kind of season should return more than what ended up coming back.

Can't let your agent run loose on you like that, because he probably doesn't share your respect and admiration for the GM and will work his own agenda.

The family decisions that these non-extensions are coming down to are understandable but also getting old. Few teams have to deal with this #### as consistently as the Flames have recently.

We need to heavily vet all players coming from south of the 49th parallel and make sure an "exodus" like that is something they never have to deal with again.

We only take players that want to play here.

[activeStick]

My guess, with zero evidence whatsoever, is that Tampa knew that Hanifin was really only interested in signing with Tampa Bay through Hanifin's agent. Hanifin probably had a set of teams he'd sign with, but those teams either didn't have the money to do it or weren't interested in signing him (Hanifin alludes to this in that article). As a result, Tampa felt that they could squeeze Calgary with a lower trade offer than they would have given if say, Boston had money and desire and were also in the mix. Tampa gambled and Tampa lost. Losers!

Edit - Conroy took the best deal that was there. He didn't trade Hanifin to Vegas to spite him or anyone because he isn't a small, spiteful man. Also just my guess, but I think I'm right on this one!

[Flamesfan05]

Nah, they need to get the best players even if they have to deal with it years down the road. They had all these guys for 5+ years


Limit yourself to certain group is where you get yourself in trouble. Besides almost half of the players come from the US now.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767209459313410425

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767210316499189814

https://twitter.com/user/status/1767210434791104568

Good for the Flames. At the same time, I hope they didn't give up a better deal from Tampa. I'm guessing both packages were comparable so they took the opportunity to steer the situation themselves rather than let what was being leaked to the media end up shoehorn them into a trade with Tampa.

Tanev deserved his pick of landing spots. Hanifin should've played the part he needed to while Flames property to help his GM. For two months? It's not a big deal. Let every team bidding for you have the impression you could resign there. You did it to calgary for a full year, after all.

[Flamesfan05]

If Tampa couldn’t offer a spare dman, a 1st and a 2nd, they don’t deserve Hanifin.