2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[daveinspruce]

Markstrom last night, 3 goals on 20 shots not good.
Going down the stretch we are going to finish just out of the playoffs and that gives us yet again a mediocre pick.
This team and its owner and management team only seem to want this team to be a mediocre team. If ownership only want to get in and anything can happen mentality we are doomed as a team.
Looks to me like Conny isn’t the real GM of this team. Seems the owner is.
Well I guess this is our lot in life as flames fans. But at my age it’s starting to wear thin.

[Icon]

I think NJ caves today & Markstrom is moved.

Wait who said that... Friday must be giving me optimism.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yea, its the later part "playing well" that is what most people have an issue with because that signals that ownership thinks they can make it in which coincides with both Serevalli and Dreger both saying that ownership is under the mentality that all the Flames need to do is "get in" and anything can happen which is code for playoff revenue please.

While I agree with this in principle and it is frustrating.. it is hard for me to completely believe.

I mean, we have literally seen the Flames make 2 futures deals over the past few weeks in Tanev and Hanifin. If playoffs were the goal, those would have been deals for some random roster players.

I do really hope Markstrom is traded though.

[Wastedyouth]

Not that I am a GM, but I would do the same thing as Conroy.

This team is battling. Markstrom isn't a UFA so he isn't walking for nothing.

He said he wouldn't tank but that he would sell the UFAs if they wouldn't sign.

He's been pretty honest with fans, I think it's fans who are being dishonest with themselves.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yea, its the later part "playing well" that is what most people have an issue with because that signals that ownership thinks they can make it in which coincides with both Serevalli and Dreger both saying that ownership is under the mentality that all the Flames need to do is "get in" and anything can happen which is code for playoff revenue please.

man if this is how ownership thinks, it really doesn't make sense to me. Trading away players has probably reduced expenses more than revenue would increase by a couple extra playoff games.

[keenan87]

The other thing with the Flames is that they still have a TON of veterans on the team. This is not a complete rebuild (even though maybe it should be):

Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Mangiapane
Kuzmenko
Weegar
Andersson
Kylington
Markstrom
-----

This is not the same as a team like the San Jose Sharks. If anything, this almost feels like the Dallas Stars model.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/

Here's all the UFA and RFA goalies for this offseason. Which other options will be viable for NJ?

Not much there is there? Most of these guys are backups. They could offer sheet Swayman. Talbot is older than Markstrom and much less of a fit for the NJ window. Same with MAF.

[Enoch Root]

Two years of Markstrom aren't as valuable as 2.5 years, plain and simple.

If the Devils won't move on Mercer now, they aren't going to move on Mercer in the summer.

There is no urgency in the summer, either - and there was urgency for NJD up until now.

No chance the return is better in the summer.

[getbak]

Who is the woman on the TSN panel?

[ComixZone]

Francis and Leslie coming up next on Sportsnet's coverage

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

That Bob McKenzie clip was pretty alarming. If it is true that New Jersey met the Flames price and they did not move Markstrom because of the level of play of the team, then I am stunned at the short-sightedness of management and ownership. Well, maybe not stunned but annoyed that they didn't learn from Iginla experience.

They are 6 points back of VGK and I really don't think there is a realistic chance of catching them. Besides, they just strengthened that team by moving Hanifin there. Bizarre.

Did he actually say that Jersey met the Flames price??? Wasn't their price Mercer and a pick??? I need context please.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Are they not ready to punt, or do they think they can get more when they punt? Realize the answer might actually be parts of bit A and B. Timing (even with in this season) likely plays a role on willingness to punt if that was an issue. I don’t think just because someone might have not wanted to punt two weeks ago, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be willing to even today, or in the offseason.

You’re interpreting this backwards. Markstrom is proven, he’s as good as or better than any goalie that will realistically switch teams in the next 12 months.

GMs around the league will be much more happy to go after their Brian Elliotts or Mike Smiths if they’re not mid-season and don’t have the pressure. No team’s fans or players will be biting their GM’s head off if they make a gamble trade on a goalie in the summer, because the payoff of the trade will be deferred. NJ’s GM isn’t going to trade for (for example) Jake Allen before the deadline because he knows he’s not an upgrade and he should be getting a bigger fish. But he would be more likely to pick up someone of Allen’s caliber in the summer because prices will be down and you can afford to be cheap when games aren’t on the line.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1766128312294744516

[getbak]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1766128312294744516

"If you won't sign, we'll trade you back to Edmonton."

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other thing with the Flames is that they still have a TON of veterans on the team. This is not a complete rebuild (even though maybe it should be):

Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Mangiapane
Weegar
Andersson
Kylington
Markstrom
-----

This is not the same as a team like the San Jose Sharks. If anything, this almost feels like the Dallas Stars model.

Yeah, for the Dallas Stars model to work they need to find some Jason Robertsons (39th overall) , Roope Hintzs (49th overall) and Wyatt Johnston's (23rd overall).

Hopefully they make the most of the pile of picks Conroy has been accumulating.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not much there is there? Most of these guys are backups. They could offer sheet Swayman. Talbot is older than Markstrom and much less of a fit for the NJ window. Same with MAF.

Markstrom isn't a UFA either - in the summer, everyone is 'available'

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other thing with the Flames is that they still have a TON of veterans on the team. This is not a complete rebuild (even though maybe it should be):

Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Mangiapane
Weegar
Andersson
Kylington
Markstrom
-----

This is not the same as a team like the San Jose Sharks. If anything, this almost feels like the Dallas Stars model.

There are almost always a fairly big contingent of vets on a rebuilding team, especially at the beginning. Every team has those holdeover contracts. Many rebuilding teams are like Calgary - tried to compete, and didn't make it so now they have to deal with the team that they hoped would compete.

Everone knows Anaheim is rebuilding - they've been sellers for 2 or 3 years now, yet they have Killorn, Silfverberg, Fowler, McGinn (and they signed Gudas for some reason).

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by getbak

"If you won't sign, we'll trade you back to Edmonton."

League minimum

[Claes]

What I don't understand is why is it so important to trade Markström right now? Do we have so little confidence of him playing well next year? This retooling will take a couple of years, and the Vegas first round pick could be as late as 2026.

As I see it: keep him and you have a solid goaltender. Great. You can always trade him later.
Trade him: sure, but only for what you think is fair.

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[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The other thing with the Flames is that they still have a TON of veterans on the team. This is not a complete rebuild (even though maybe it should be):

Huberdeau
Kadri
Coleman
Backlund
Mangiapane
Kuzmenko
Weegar
Andersson
Kylington
Markstrom
-----

This is not the same as a team like the San Jose Sharks. If anything, this almost feels like the Dallas Stars model.

It's rather similar to the Sharks in terms of contract duration for older players.

The Sharks, despite having rebuilt for a while, still have Couture for 4 years, Vlasic for two years, retention on Karlsson for 4 years, and Burns for 2 years.

The Flames will still have Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar, Coleman, etc. under books several years from now. These contracts go nearly to the age of 40.

But even the Sharks have paid overpaid Benn and Seguin while remaining competitive.