2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Tbull8]

Sec last night made things sound hot again. Really curious what happened/didnt

[Goriders]

Any more Flames trades coming? Not too many left to trade.

Markstrom and Mangiapane probably the only potentials?

Funny thing is everytime we have traded one of our big names the team seems to perform better.

[Bonded]

Mercer one for one would be fine

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I haven’t seen the clip. Did he say they met flames price last night or when the supposed trade was to go down 2 weeks ago?

The flames price is mercer and I doubt fitz caved on that last night.

He said that compensation for salary retention was the item that held up the trade and that NJD came back and said they would do it without retention, but the Flames changed their position on moving Markstrom because the team was playing their best hockey and it would send the wrong message.

We've heard differently on here and it would be odd for there to be more talks between the teams if the Flames decided not to move Markstrom for that reason, but it's hard to question Bob's info. Probably the most reliable insider in the sport. Dreger was right beside him on the panel and didn't disagree either.

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Any more Flames trades coming? Not too many left to trade.

Markstrom and Mangiapane probably the only potentials?

Funny thing is everytime we have traded one of our big names the team seems to perform better.

We'll be unbeatable when we trade Markstrom.

You hearing this ownership?? It's pretty much a playoff guarantee if you make the trade!

[Rhettzky]

I dont buy the ownership involvement angle in the potential Markstrom trade. We also heard reports that Murray would never retain and we know how that went. This all sounds like baseless speculation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

He said that compensation for salary retention was the item that held up the trade and that NJD came back and said they would do it without retention, but the Flames changed their position on moving Markstrom because the team was playing their best hockey and it would send the wrong message.

We've heard differently on here and it would be odd for there to be more talks between the teams if the Flames decided not to move Markstrom for that reason, but it's hard to question Bob's info. Probably the most reliable insider in the sport. Dreger was right beside him on the panel and didn't disagree either.

When they changed the deal to no retention, you think the return was otherwise identical?

Nah, NJ said "we'll go without retention but now we will pay this..."

Every indication is that Mercer is the stumbling block. Calgary wants him and NJ doesn't want to give him up. Contrarily, NJ is happy to give up Holz and Calgary doesn't want or need Holz.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I see a lot of baseless claims about Markstroms value right now vs. off-season. So... after NJ throws away their season due to bad goaltending, all the sudden the ask for Markstrom is going to come down for them 2 months later because.... reasons? Methinks posters are just whiny because they want to see a trade go down today.

Or

NJ will also have other options in the offseason, they address their goaltender issues without trading a key asset.

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I see a lot of baseless claims about Markstroms value right now vs. off-season. So... after NJ throws away their season due to bad goaltending, all the sudden the ask for Markstrom is going to come down for them 2 months later because.... reasons? Methinks posters are just whiny because they want to see a trade go down today.

Markstrom was untradeable last season and now he has a ton of value based on the season he's having. Now that we've traded away half of our top 4, my fear is that Markstrom is exposed and struggles down the stretch. What if he's terrible the last 20 games? Maybe that doesn't change NJs opinion on him or affect their appetite to make a deal, but maybe it worries them and they decide they're better off spending assets on someone younger than 35 year old Markstrom who has been pretty inconsistent one year to the next

[dustygoon]

Problem for me is 1) he either keeps us from finishing worst 10 next year (disaster) or 2) He goes back to the type of player he was a year ago and has negative trade value.

A little over a year ago, this was Markstrom....

CALGARY — Jacob Markstrom’s confidence is broken.

After Thursday night’s loss to Montreal, his body language in the locker room reflected that. His answers were brief and reeked of frustration. The word “suck” was mentioned more than once.

“I suck right now,” Markstrom said after a 2-1 loss to the Montreal Canadiens. “I’ve got to step up. We’re playing good hockey and not letting many scoring chances in. Can’t start behind every game.”

https://theathletic.com/3959998/2022...lames-offence/

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or

NJ will also have other options in the offseason, they address their goaltender issues without trading a key asset.

Maybe. The Devils have also made it publicly clear that Markstrom is there #1 target. The only potential option becoming available out there better than Markstrom is Saros, and NSH's ask is rumoured to be more than Markstrom, so still not convinced this would have any impact at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Markstrom was untradeable last season and now he has a ton of value based on the season he's having. Now that we've traded away half of our top 4, my fear is that Markstrom is exposed and struggles down the stretch. What if he's terrible the last 20 games? Maybe that doesn't change NJs opinion on him or affect their appetite to make a deal, but maybe it worries them and they decide they're better off spending assets on someone younger than 35 year old Markstrom who has been pretty inconsistent one year to the next

Exposed? Markstrom has been fantastic, defence or no defence. The guy is a very consistent goalie - has had one bad year in his whole career. You think GMs are going to be swayed by a month's worth hockey behind an AHL defence?

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Markstrom was untradeable last season and now he has a ton of value based on the season he's having. Now that we've traded away half of our top 4, my fear is that Markstrom is exposed and struggles down the stretch. What if he's terrible the last 20 games? Maybe that doesn't change NJs opinion on him or affect their appetite to make a deal, but maybe it worries them and they decide they're better off spending assets on someone younger than 35 year old Markstrom who has been pretty inconsistent one year to the next

I don't think team GM's value players with the level of recency bias that fans do. Devils have scouted Markstrom and know what they'd be getting at this point, 20 games changes nothing.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Any more Flames trades coming? Not too many left to trade.

Markstrom and Mangiapane probably the only potentials?

I suppose maybe Kuzmenko as well... but if I was a team looking for a winger right now I'd be more interested in Mangiapane. My money would be on neither Mangiapane nor Markstrom moving at least until the offseason (I would move both now thou if a suitable deal was on the table).

[Groot]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or

NJ will also have other options in the offseason, they address their goaltender issues without trading a key asset.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/

Here's all the UFA and RFA goalies for this offseason. Which other options will be viable for NJ?

[Nelson]

Alright, McKenzie says compensation for retention was the issue at first. Then, NJ said it didn't need retention. Then, the Flames playing well was the issue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When they changed the deal to no retention, you think the return was otherwise identical?

Nah, NJ said "we'll go without retention but now we will pay this..."

Every indication is that Mercer is the stumbling block. Calgary wants him and NJ doesn't want to give him up. Contrarily, NJ is happy to give up Holz and Calgary doesn't want or need Holz.

To add to this, my speculation is NJ wanted Markstrom retained, and Calgary said "OK, give us a pick, Holz and Mercer". NJ said no, thought about it and said "OK no retention, just a pick, and Holz". Calgary said "No, it has to be a pick and Mercer". Mercer wasn't the compensation for retention in Calgary's mind - that was Holz, or the pick. Mercer was the compensation for Markstrom, and if he's not in, there's no deal.

And that's where it ended.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/goaltender/

Here's all the UFA and RFA goalies for this offseason. Which other options will be viable for NJ?

My guess they contact the Bruins in the offseason

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Alright, McKenzie says compensation for retention was the issue at first. Then, NJ said it didn't need retention. Then, the Flames playing well was the issue.

Yea, its the later part "playing well" that is what most people have an issue with because that signals that ownership thinks they can make it in which coincides with both Serevalli and Dreger both saying that ownership is under the mentality that all the Flames need to do is "get in" and anything can happen which is code for playoff revenue please.

[Nelson]

Carolina getting Kuznetsov from Washington. Bieksa says, "high-high upside, low-low risk."