2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I am confident that Markstrom is more valuable now than in the Summer. It’s way easier as a GM to gamble on an unproven goalie in the summer than when the losses are piling up in your face and you’re slipping out of the playoffs. Combine that with more goalies being available and more time for teams to think and get the best deal.

Players are always worth the most in the season, picks are always worth the most at the draft.

Maybe. But they also need to (a) convince Markstrom to waive and (b) get a good deal. Maybe they had one and played too aggressively. Who knows. But there will certainly be more teams in the market in the offseason than now, for a non-rental.

[BigThief]

Markstrom value will probably never be higher than it is, or was last week with New Jersey.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by traptor

If they don't trade him now then why would they trade him in the offseason?

If they're not ready to punt this season then they're not puntting next season

Are they not ready to punt, or do they think they can get more when they punt? Realize the answer might actually be parts of bit A and B. Timing (even with in this season) likely plays a role on willingness to punt if that was an issue. I don’t think just because someone might have not wanted to punt two weeks ago, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be willing to even today, or in the offseason.

[CliffFletcher]

The most obvious reason Markstrom will have more value now than in the offseason is teams will get 3 playoff runs out of him rather than 2. Jersey is the most motivated buyer, and they clearly would prefer to have him now rather than the offseason.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I am confident that Markstrom is more valuable now than in the Summer. It’s way easier as a GM to gamble on an unproven goalie in the summer than when the losses are piling up in your face and you’re slipping out of the playoffs. Combine that with more goalies being available and more time for teams to think and get the best deal.

Players are always worth the most in the season, picks are always worth the most at the draft.

Your “confidence” about his value being highest today, is clearly based on your opinions not facts though. You feel Markstrom is an “unproven goalie”. That is an opinion not a fact, and one that is very very debatable.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Servalli says NJ is scouring the league for goalies, apparently without success. I think they give up and try again in the offseason

They will have the same lack of options in the offseason.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They didn’t trade him because their price wasn’t met, not because of some “never give up” philosophy. You think they traded all the UFAs because they were deadwood for next year?

The UFAs are a different situation. They're UFAs. Marsktrom is under contract. If he was a UFA they would probably trade him.

And obviously if someone offers you something ridiculous for almost anyone you take it.
That doesn't mean you actually have any intention of trading them.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They will have the same lack of options in the offseason.

They’ll have more options in the offseason. As will every other team looking for a goalie. Which is why the goalie trade market is always soft.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The most obvious reason Markstrom will have more value now than in the offseason is teams will get 3 playoff runs out of him rather than 2. Jersey is the most motivated buyer, and they clearly would prefer to have him now rather than the offseason.

That’s a fair point. But it’s also fair your market of buyers right now is likely lower than the offseason. Those two factors play off each other.

[Enoch Root]

There is little to no chance that his value will be as high in the summer.

[Wolfman]

Sec... where you at dawg?

[bluejays]

I’m not following the tv coverage but it really sounds like both the Flames and Devils want Mercer. Why are we going in circles? If he’s off limits, then there is nothing to discuss. It’s clear the other options the Devils are offering don’t pass the scouts test. I wish someone would outwardly kill the speculation. If they love Mercer so much they’ll keep him. Kill speculation now and give us all our time back.

[Royle9]

Very short sited for the Flames to hold on and hope they can get more in the summer when value is at an all time high. Add that to the fact that they are hurting themselves by winning into a mediocre pick, it just makes 0 logical sense for this other than the fact its the most Flames thing to do.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They didn’t trade him because their price wasn’t met, not because of some “never give up” philosophy. You think they traded all the UFAs because they were deadwood for next year?

They traded all their UFAs and got limited pieces back that can contribute now because management is trying to win this year. I think that seems obvious.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Very short sited for the Flames to hold on and hope they can get more in the summer when value is at an all time high. Add that to the fact that they are hurting themselves by winning into a mediocre pick, it just makes 0 logical sense for this other than the fact its the most Flames thing to do.

Yes, but what does make sense is posturing in a trade negotiation and telling the team you value your goalie and don't feel like you need to trade him at the deadline or ever.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’m not following the tv coverage but it really sounds like both the Flames and Devils want Mercer. Why are we going in circles? If he’s off limits, then there is nothing to discuss. It’s clear the other options the Devils are offering don’t pass the scouts test. I wish someone would outwardly kill the speculation. If they love Mercer so much they’ll keep him. Kill speculation now and give us all our time back.

The trade will or won’t happen regardless of what you do, so take your own time back and check to see if it happened at the end of the day.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is little to no chance that his value will be as high in the summer.

Letting this go to the draft will be opportunity lost IMO. Markstrom is not a part of the future that is being painted out by the picks and prospects being grabbed. His value to New Jersey appears to be punching way over what he will produce in the future. This is a no brainer. Even if you go in with a hard on for Mercer you have to recognize how good an asset that Holtz is and take that piece to move the team forward. They skip that they will run into more competition during the summer and Markstrom's value will plummet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Bob says it’s not happening I guess we can go to sleep n

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Letting this go to the draft will be opportunity lost IMO. Markstrom is not a part of the future that is being painted out by the picks and prospects being grabbed. His value to New Jersey appears to be punching way over what he will produce in the future. This is a no brainer. Even if you go in with a hard on for Mercer you have to recognize how good an asset that Holtz is and take that piece to move the team forward. They skip that they will run into more competition during the summer and Markstrom's value will plummet.

Maybe that's the rub.
I suspect that fans are placing more value on Holtz than the Flames or the league does.

[Nelson]

Bob is no doubt speaking on solid intel, but did he provide his standard proviso that things could change at any minute?