[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Rebuild time!

Are we there yet?

[Canada 02]

For perspective, a signed or RFA Dougie Hamilton was worth a first and 2 seconds. A rental Noah Hanifin is worth a 1st, conditional 3rd, with chance to become an 2nd and depth player.

[badradio]

I’d rather just have the 2026 unconditional 1st than a conditional 2025 pick…

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

He’s suggesting a little more patience.

There are other dominos still to fall. This needed to get done. I’m excited to see what’s next. They clearly have a plan, we’ve been asking for this for years, if not decades. Just sit back and enjoy the inevitably bumpy ride, knowing the destination is worth it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I reported earlier in the day Lundell was not in play. I was hoping that rumoured TB package was a thing though. That is the way it goes, not everything heard pans out.

Oh I’m not going after you. I think people overvalue trade value in general for deadline trades.
I liked the Tampa rumour better as well but guess it wasn’t there. Hanifins preferred teams clearly didn’t like him enough to pay up to get him on an 8 year deal. Will be interesting to see if he signs in Vegas.

[Strange Brew]

Just logging on tonight to see the return and it is a little underwhelming. Would have liked a better secondary pick at least. So while I was hoping for more based on the other deals today, time to move on.

Now it is all about what the Flames do with their picks (and if they targeted the right prospects) not about how many we accumulated.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

This. Put up or shut up. Not rumours, executed trades. Hronek and DeBrincat were posted and this deal is right in line with those. Whatcha got?

Someone else mentioned the Bouwmeester trade as a comparable from back in 2013. Seems like a very similar return to me. Matter of fact I think we did better getting a second pick over the scrubs included back then.

Traded from Calgary Flames to St. Louis Blues for Reto Berra, Mark Cundari and round 1 pick in the 2013 draft (Emile Poirier)

These other crazy rumours were completely unfounded. Hanifin isn't a top paring dman on most teams. He's a good player don't get me wrong... but ranks below Pieterangelo and Theodore on the Vegas depth chart.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by badradio

I’d rather just have the 2026 unconditional 1st than a conditional 2025 pick…

Vegas could feasibly be bad in 2026.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have said a long time ago that I don't envy the spot that Conroy is in trying to navigate the Flames through all of this. This was not an easy job for him to accomplish. Heck, I remember a lot of pundits were saying: "Calgary simply can't make that many moves in a season". Well, Conroy did.


Was this trade a home run? Nope, not at face value. Whenever you have picks involved, especially with a team like Calgary that drafts well, it has the potential to turn into a home-run win for the Flames. Miromanov sounds intriguing, though on the older spectrum of 'prospect', but let's see what he can do with the runway that Calgary can provide him that he wasn't able to get in Vegas.


Hat's off to Conroy on what was an incredibly difficult spot as a first-time GM. You can't win every trade. What you can do now, is make the most out of what you got. This is undoubtedly the 'burn it down' sell-off year, with probably more to sell next season. I doubt any further moves are made from now on, other than maybe act as the middle-man for some trade.


From this past off-season until today, I think Conroy has done a tremendous job. I have much more hope today for this team down the road than I had at this point last year. This is a breath of fresh air, quite honestly. Get rid of everyone who doesn't want to be here. Make the environment fun. Build through the draft and have kids grow up together and build chemistry together. That's how you are going to build a championship calibre team in a small market like Calgary.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Goriders

A lot of people wanted a rebuild.

- all old UFAs are gone ** and young ones**
- we received serviceable younger players in return ** No we didnt**
- we received a ton of draft picks ** bad ones**
- the team is playing better now than at the start of the year. ** not for long**
- we’re going to have a ton of cap space in the summer ** to sign either the awful crop of UFAs, or to use in more 26 year old tier 6 RFAs**

What else do you want? **A decent prospect would be a start**

Good job Conman ** Disagree**

[Mattman]

Couple quick thoughts.

I agree with the sentiment that the Flames could have maybe waited another day and a bit to see which team flinches first and gives the most.

On the other hand, I think Conny and the Flames brass may just be a little too green or gun-shy about letting this run to the 11th hour. Call it PTSD from Johnny and Tkachuk.

The retention on this is killing me. I get it's for 1/4 of the season on a UFA contract, fine. But that has that has to be the bait to dangle this in front of teams. A top 2/3 D man on a bargain deal already RETAINED at 75% is crazy. To me that feels like wasted value. Cap space is everything in this league and if you want it you should be paying the premium.

End of the day I am glad we got something for a player who kinda made it clear he has moved on.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by keenan87

With such strong overreacting by you.. I am a bit surprised you didn't know the market was this weak considering you are an Insider.

Ok, I have said multiple times I am not an insider. I don't get paid for this, I don't have every agent on speed dial like a guy like Friedman does. I know a few people. Those guys who do have those contacts still report things like Florida and TB are interested, Friedman practically had him in TB. I just say what I hear, why would I say the market is weak when Frank Seravelli already covered that? Then other guys like Weekes and Friedman are saying TB is hot on Hanifin and all the sudden Florida is in there. Next thing I know I get a text to watch Vegas so I throw that out there before the noise to Vegas really starts. again, I am not an insider but I am happy to share what a few friends who are in the business are kind enough to message me.

[NewFan]

I think it's Okay deal. Because of Hanifin's agent, we had less choice.
Most important asset is out 1st round pick. Hope Markstrom is also traded and we fall bottom 10 in the standing, while grooming young guys whose we have.

[greyshep]

I am convinced that the lower return is a direct result of an agent trying to dictate a destination, thereby reducing his value measurably. Hard to blame Conroy here, he was dealt a crappy hand by the player/agent.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

If they trade the 25 pick in the next 48 hours, the 26 belongs to Calgary.

If they don’t trade it, and it ends up being top 10, the 26 belongs to Calgary.

That’s how I’m interpreting it.

Really hope they end up trading their 2025 first round pick before the deadline. But I doubt it. Would be a little short-sighted of them to leave themselves exposed like that for the 2026 draft. Could see them trading their 2024 first round pick instead as that would give them the most protection in the draft over the next 3 years. Since their 2025 pick already has conditions on it, I would think if they traded it to another team, it could not be protected since the decision of which pick the flames get has to be set by March 10th (and can only be pushed to 2026 if Vegas is set to pick in the top 10 of 2025).

So if Vegas trades their 2024 pick to a team before Friday… they have reasonable protection on 2 of the next 3 drafts since their 2024 pick is likely to be outside the top 20 and the worst pick they can give up in 2025 is outside the top 10 (but likely to be outside the top 15).

Alternatively, if Vegas trades their 2025 pick to a team before Friday… they have protection on only their 2024 pick which is the one they would be keeping and is likely to be outside the top 20 of a weaker draft. They would then have no protection on their 2025 and 2026 draft picks which would be risky.

Not sure why they would prefer to trade their 2025 pick to another team before Friday. It’s possible they really want to make a selection this year or a team they are negotiating with right now really wants the pick to be in 2025 and will not budge on that.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Seravelli on Barn Burner warned us the return would be underwhelming. I think people's expectations were too high. I like this trade.

[browna]

^
Vegas do want to make a 1st round pick this year, draft is in Vegas.

[Benched]

Keep selling. Next year bottom out, sell UFAs, weaponize cap space to bring in more picks. The trades aren’t all going to be ‘winners’, but you just keep stocking up trying to rebuild this franchise.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Really hope they end up trading their 2025 first round pick before the deadline. But I doubt it. Would be a little short-sighted of them to leave themselves exposed like that for the 2026 draft. Could see them trading their 2024 first round pick instead as that would give them the most protection in the draft over the next 3 years. Since their 2025 pick already has conditions on it, I would think if they traded it to another team, it could not be protected since the decision of which pick the flames get has to be set by March 10th (and can only be pushed to 2026 if Vegas is set to pick in the top 10 of 2025).

So if Vegas trades their 2024 pick to a team before Friday… they have reasonable protection on 2 of the next 3 drafts since their 2024 pick is likely to be outside the top 20 and the worst pick they can give up in 2025 is outside the top 10 (but likely to be outside the top 15).

Alternatively, if Vegas trades their 2025 pick to a team before Friday… they have protection on only their 2024 pick which is the one they would be keeping and is likely to be outside the top 20 of a weaker draft. They would then have no protection on their 2025 and 2026 draft picks which would be risky.

Not sure why they would prefer to trade their 2025 pick to another team before Friday. It’s possible they really want to make a selection this year or a team they are negotiating with right now really wants the pick to be in 2025 and will not budge on that.

They have the draft in Vegas this year, they likely want their first to make a big splash. They’re more likely to trade their 25 pick, imo.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by browna

^
Vegas do want to make a pick this year, draft is in Vegas.

That’s a very good point. Makes me think this could work out nicely for the flames then. Hope they go after a big rental to help them go for it this year and give up their 2025 pick.