[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[Moneyhands23]

I still can't get over the devils being in on the trade.

Have they thrown in the towel

[IggyOnly]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Oh, wow. If Conroy had to get a 3rd team involved just to retain the part of 2.25 million from now until the end of the season, I think we know why the Markstrom deal fell through...Friedman did say all along that he thought retention was the real issue.

Can one team retain 75%? I thought its a max at 50, and the trade allows Dallas to get that addition reduction.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Another piece going to one of the top teams in the west in order to make sure the Oilers don't get anywhere. Vegas gets Hanifin? I kid, I kid.


We were all hoping for a 1st, but it just goes to show you how undervalued Tanev is around the league. Dallas will love him. Hopefully Tanev re-signs in Calgary, and if not, good luck wherever he ends up re-signing. He was a great Flame while he was here, and I don't think there exists a poster on this board who doesn't like Tanev.


I wonder if the next pieces move quickly now.



As for this trade, at face value this is a little light. Hoping for a 1st, would settle for a 2nd and a good prospect. This is more like a 2nd and a longshot, as someone posted he was ranked as Dallas' 10th best prospect? It is also rare for defencemen who put up next to nothing offensively to make it to the NHL. However, I am sure that the Flames did their scouting on Grushnikov, so they must like him. Flames are a very good drafting team, and he isn't far removed from the draft, so their book on him + more scouting on him leading up to this trade makes me believe that there is probably more to this kid than meets the eye. On top of this, Dallas is an excellent drafting team - one of the best in the NHL too, so him being ranked 10th may not be such a black mark on him at all.


I have stated that I want as many lottery tickets as possible. I am all for picks + prospects, but specifically picks as I doubt many teams are ever going to trade a blue-chip franchise prospect away. Teams basically have to draft those themselves. This 2nd round pick may be nothing, or it could be the Flames future HHOF. It makes no sense to me to undertake this retool/rebuild and come out of it with the same problem - a bunch of 2nd line and lower players, plus a bunch of at best #2 defencemen and lower, and be stuck in the same mediocrity that this organization finds itself in. Too good to suck, not good enough to win. These picks add up. It allows the scouting staff to really roll the dice on guys that may come with a bit more risk. Maybe if the Flames had 3 second round picks instead of 2, they would have drafted Kucherov instead of Tampa, and it would have been the Flames winning a few cups.


Would have loved a 1st, or the 1st plus that people were hoping for, but the market is the market, and the value was certainly not poor. Way too early to declare a winner and loser, but the value was fair I think at this point.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This sounds like a Kylington partner.

What's wrong with Pachal?

[FlamesAddiction]

So a 2nd and B level prospect (former 2nd rounder). Sounds about right for a Tanev rental to be honest.

I am completely whelmed.

[Ozy_Flame]

Solovyov, Kuznetsov, Grushnikov.

All ov your Blueline are belong to rus

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The return is fine and fair.

I just think that if this is the offer maybe you hold out a bit longer to see if they budge/up it a little more (even on their 3rd conditions i.e. western finals?)

75% is pretty generous.

If no other teams are calling that’s a huge gamble.

[Parallex]

Hrm... well... this doesn't seem very good. I kind of wish Conroy just waited longer if this was the best deal available now... I mean I can't imagine this deal wouldn't be on the table after this weekend.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I still can't get over the devils being in on the trade.

Have they thrown in the towel

I can’t find the link either, but it sure feels like there is more to come between them and the flames!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flame On

So has our development defensive depth gone from nothing to pretty reasonable now?

Morin
Brustewicz
Poirier
Solovyov
Grushnikov
Kusnetsov
Jurmo

Conroy likes his eastern bloc defensemen!

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If Grushnikov develops into anything resembling Tanev then actually he is a “flashy” prospect.

I'm not saying he will.

I'm saying he's a defensive defenseman who is pretty average across the board from what I can see. But MAYBE he develops into something for us.

I think most likely case based on what he is now is he pans out as an AHLer or a tweener.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

There seems to be a big blind spot in Calgarys scouting department in that they keep targeting the same type of defenseman in Kuznetsov, Boltmann, Jurmo and now Grushnikov, players who have next to no chance of becoming useful NHL players, and expecting different results.

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk

Um...'Length?'

What is that supposed to mean?

[Dr. Pepper]

Originally Posted by IggyOnly

Can one team retain 75%? I thought its a max at 50, and the trade allows Dallas to get that addition reduction.

I think I read on TSN that is was in fact 50% retained…

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Locke

Um...'Length?'

What is that supposed to mean?

Bow chick a wow wow

[dino7c]

Flames got Tanev for free...and some posters complained about that too

[butterfly]

I think we can all agree that the worst thing about the trade is watching 23 games of Oesterle instead of Tanev. At least it should improve our pick position.

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by Locke

Um...'Length?'

What is that supposed to mean?

How long something is.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by Locke

Um...'Length?'

What is that supposed to mean?

You know exactly what it means. Length.

(...no idea though)

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Wow, this is either underwhelming or Tanev totally overhyped!

Or the people who actually do this ... for a LIVING ... have a very different perspective to posters on a forum?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

What's wrong with Pachal?

Nothing. I’m talking down the road. I expect Kylington to be higher in the lineup and maybe this kid is the guy to be up there with him. Pachal’s good but I expect him to stay bottom pair.