2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You ignored the point on Stone.

Lindholm is better than Horvat based on…what? His play this year is a disaster. His offensive production was very clearly propped up by Gaudreau, and I continue to believe that his defensive play was propped up by Tkachuk. I think your Lindholm analysis is absolutely incorrect.

Horvat was a better player when he got traded than Lindholm is now. When NYI acquired Horvat he had 54 points in 49 games (including 31 goals). Lindy won’t even hit that this season.

He is the best player on the market that brings 2 way play, and versatility. He is also not going to be counted on to be a top line C. He is a 2nd liner.

His ability to kill penalties, win draws, switch to the wing is going to be a big draw to a contender.

Yeah he has a sucked this year, but his production here with top players shows he can produce with top players when he meshes.

I think teams can see the mishmash our lines have been, and Huberdeau failing to click here since the trade.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ped

Then you're going to get disappointed.


Lindholm to Boston got a late 1st, 2 2nds, a B/C prospect, and a cap dump. Horvat got a mid 1st, a B prospect, and an underperforming winger who the Canucks could only get a 5th for.
Bertuzzi got a conditional 1st and a 4th
Chychrun got a 1st and 2 2nds, but he was under team control
Kane got 2 minor-league players, a conditional 2nd, and a 4th
Ekholm got Barrie (cap dump, basically), a B/C prospect, a 1st, and a 4th
Jeannot was very overpaid for and got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and 6/7 blueliner. Still no A prospect, which woudl equal to two 1sts, I think
The Caps got Craig Smith (middle-6 guy), a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Orlov AND Hathaway
Blues got a 1st, 2nd, a 3rd, a C prospect, and a minor-leaguer for O'Reilly AND Acciari and a C/D prospect


Not a top-tier prospect in sight.

We are going to compare him to a broken Kane? Over the hill defenceman? A 2nd line winger?

You think those players you listed are as good as Lindholm when he is on his game?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is the best player on the market that brings 2 way play, and versatility. He is also not going to be counted on to be a top line C. He is a 2nd liner.

His ability to kill penalties, win draws, switch to the wing is going to be a big draw to a contender.

Yeah he has a sucked this year, but his production here with top players shows he can produce with top players when he meshes.

I think teams can see the mishmash our lines have been, and Huberdeau failing to click here since the trade.

Is he the best two way player on the market? Yet to be seen. I’ll argue against Lindholm being the player that will set a new bar for what UFAs return in trade value at the deadline. The market is pretty well established in recent years.

[HighLifeMan]

A 34 year old Claude Giroux coming off two mediocre to poor seasons returned Owen Tippett, a 1st, and a 3rd. Horvat returned a pick that is more valuable than the entirety of a package that Vancouver seems to be willing to trade by all accounts.

The quality of the pick and prospect matter immensely.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A 34 year old Claude Giroux coming off two mediocre to poor seasons returned Owen Tippett, a 1st, and a 3rd. Horvat returned a pick that is more valuable than the entirety of a package that Vancouver seems to be willing to trade by all accounts.

The quality of the pick and prospect matter immensely.

Everyone is down because of his bad season, but most GM's are going to look at his ability to do a lot of important things and player down the lineup. He has history of being a good player with good players.

If anything he has cost himself money as a UFA.

[Ped]

And in those 2 "mediocre" seasons, Giroux outscored the pace Lindholm is on right now. People are talking about Lindholm like he's the guy that scored 82 points with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. His scoring dropped last season, even more this season, and he's probably peaked.


Your amazing 2-way center with 8 goals is not likely to get a king's ransom - and teams don't often give up A prospects for rentals, as many have demonstrated. When Tippet was traded, he was plateauing in Florida and there were starting to be questions about his future.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A 34 year old Claude Giroux coming off two mediocre to poor seasons returned Owen Tippett, a 1st, and a 3rd. Horvat returned a pick that is more valuable than the entirety of a package that Vancouver seems to be willing to trade by all accounts.

The quality of the pick and prospect matter immensely.

The quality of the player being traded is also immensely important.

Horvat had 31 goals and 54 points in 49 games when he was traded.

Giroux had 42 points in 57 games for Philly when he was traded. Giroux was a 53.34 CF%, 53.21 SF%, 54.55% GF%, 51.41 xGF% player when Philly dealt him.

Lindholm is on pace for 53 points this season and is 46.35 CF%, 48.76 SF%, 44.26 GF%, and a 43.45 xGF% player this year

As Flames fans we have to HOPE that Lindholm has a reputation league wide that allows teams to look past what is going on this season, and how his production has plummeted since losing Johnny and Chucky.

Lindholm is an overrated player. If he was what we actually thought he may be back in 21/22, the Flames would be in a much better position than they are now.

He is, by far, the 3rd centre on this team. Kadri and Backlund are both significantly better than him. Patience is a virtue, but the Flames have likely held onto Lindy for too long to get the type of return some seem to be expecting.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Ped

And in those 2 "mediocre" seasons, Giroux outscored the pace Lindholm is on right now. People are talking about Lindholm like he's the guy that scored 82 points with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. His scoring dropped last season, even more this season, and he's probably peaked.


Your amazing 2-way center with 8 goals is not likely to get a king's ransom - and teams don't often give up A prospects for rentals, as many have demonstrated. When Tippet was traded, he was plateauing in Florida and there were starting to be questions about his future.

Well again.. Lindholm had 64 points last year which is a mark Giroux hadn't reached in three years prior to the trade. He's also significantly younger, and a better two hundred foot player. 40 game sample sizes don't crater player values on proven high end assets. Lindholm is the best piece on the market by a significant margin, down year or not.

Sorry, but I wouldn't be happy at all with the 27-32nd overall pick in a mediocre draft, Arshdeep Bains, and Tyler Myers even though it technically meets the "criteria" some of you are looking for.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Well again.. Lindholm had 64 points last year which is a mark Giroux hadn't reached in three years prior to the trade. He's also significantly younger, and a better two hundred foot player. 40 game sample sizes don't crater player values on proven high end assets. Lindholm is the best piece on the market by a significant margin, down year or not.

Sorry, but I wouldn't be happy at all with the 27-32nd overall pick in a mediocre draft, Arshdeep Bains, and Tyler Myers even though it technically meets the "criteria" some of you are looking for.

Then it’s your expectations that are out of whack. We all want the best return for Lindy, and hopefully Conroy can really deliver…but the market comparables do exist, and Lindholm likely does not fall at the top end of that scale.

[dino7c]

I think he can turn it around but Lindholm is playing like ####...like do you watch games and think "maybe Lindholm will come up big here"

I certainly haven't for the last bit. I didn't watch Saturday but when I was thinking about how they could win it was Zary, Vladar, Backlund, Coleman, Weegar, ect. that came to mind as guys who might step up. Half the time I forget Lindholm is on the team.

3 options:

1.Let him walk
2.sign him for 9Mx8
3.trade him for the best offer even if it isn't a huge haul (still a 1st, decent thing, cap dump)

you have to choose, which is it

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by traptor

Kuzmenko + podkolzin + 1st for lindholm would be a pretty good haul imo.

Podkolzin has a Hugh ceiling and alot of runway left.

Kuzmenko could be a really nice buy low candidate. He put produced everyone on the flames last season.

Can also flip in as a rental next tdl

That would be a really good return IMO. It's more than we got for Iginla.

[traptor]

Podkolzin is a pretty good comparable to Tippet when he was traded.

Both 22 year old 10oa picks, with an okay rookie season then a sophomore slump.

1st + Podkolzin for Lindholm base would be solid.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

What team doesn't want a Lindholm?

Timing and acquisitional cost play a very big role in if teams will want this particular Lindholm.


Any team not looking like a play-off team.
Any team happy with their center depth.
Any team not looking to give up organization depth for a short term chance.
Any team that is only looking for players who have control.
Any team that doesn't have the cap flexibility to make it happen.
Any team that thinks they'll just be able to circle back and get him as a UFA for no asset costs.

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

What a bonkers take.

The bonkers take is thinking 31 other teams are going to be vying for this player

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Colorado very much needs a 2C upgrade on Johannsen. And Boston could use a bolstering of the middle of their roster after losing talent there last summer. CAR has been rumoured to be sniffing around Lindholm multiple times this season. In all likelihood, that's the tip of the iceberg. Some teams will express more casual interest but most competitive teams will be checking in on the price tag.

And of these teams, which of them is going to give up the deal the Flames are looking for? Again, this is my point. You have a team who seems to be ready to make the deal. They are meeting your ask. Do you balk because it's at the lower end of your ask? If you just want to wait to see if something better comes, how long do you wait?

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Sorry, the Flames are injecting older players into the line up? News to me. They went after a 25 year old in Sharangovich, don't think they're going after a guy near Lindholm's age who probably doesn't have a lot of development left.

Flames are injecting NHL ready players into their line up.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lindholm is the best player available on the market for a contender

Again, Eriksson Ek is apparently being shopped and I would rate him remarkably higher than Lindholm just on control alone.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kind of like when Mark Stone was on the market, Vegas was able to put the screws to Ottawa because Stone would only sign with Vegas. I don't think Lindholm has a market yet in free agency to pull that over us.

He has a season where he has played below his previous high levels and an eagreness to test UFA. That brings your cost down.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lindholm is better than Horvat. He should return a better package.

Lol, no he isn't.

Originally Posted by stemit14

I wonder if Tampa has a need for Lindholm or Tanev. They have never been shy about trading first round picks but they might be wanting to rebuild their prospect pool. They have not had any first round picks in a while and they are a holding on to one of the wild card spots in the east. On the other hand, teams need to strike while their window is open and they are still a pretty good team.

Fridge said Tampa taking a year to recoup or something to that effect on a 32 thoughts Podcoast a few weeks ago. They started the season slow with out Vasilevski and have put themselves in a hole and have sort of resigned themselves to that..

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You are coddling a sociopath and it is difficult to understand.

lol that is quite the extreme stretch and difficult to understand

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol that is quite the extreme stretch and difficult to understand

Why?! Just leave it dead. Stop this madness! Talk about how Lindholm should be returning the No1 OA pick this coming draft or something.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by traptor

Kuzmenko + podkolzin + 1st for lindholm would be a pretty good haul imo.

Podkolzin has a Hugh ceiling and alot of runway left.

Kuzmenko could be a really nice buy low candidate. He put produced everyone on the flames last season.

Can also flip in as a rental next tdl

The impact on roster makeup with two wingers coming in for a centreman going out has to be thrown into the equation. The Flames' relative strength is on the wing including a lot of youth.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by traptor

Podkolzin is a pretty good comparable to Tippet when he was traded.

Both 22 year old 10oa picks, with an okay rookie season then a sophomore slump.

1st + Podkolzin for Lindholm base would be solid.

Pass. Nothing exciting. For Lindholm flames should be looking at the Toffoli model trade but increases.

A 1st instead of second round.

A 23-25 player with NHL experience and shown to produce.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

A 34 year old Claude Giroux coming off two mediocre to poor seasons returned Owen Tippett, a 1st, and a 3rd. Horvat returned a pick that is more valuable than the entirety of a package that Vancouver seems to be willing to trade by all accounts.

The quality of the pick and prospect matter immensely.

Tippett was a total throw in at that point. He was about to hit the waiver wire because he was pretty much unplayable with the Panthers. He just happened to break out with the Flyers.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Why?! Just leave it dead. Stop this madness! Talk about how Lindholm should be returning the No1 OA pick this coming draft or something.

Never! Then I will have someone ####ting on me for saying Lindholm is worth that much lol.



Podkolzin + Hunter Brzustewicz + 1st for Lindholm or bust lol

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Podkolzin + Hunter Brzustewicz + 1st for Lindholm or bust lol

Bust it is!