2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'all can read this very thread- he started this ####. I called him out for being so dismissive over a conversation, and it devolved into baby level throwing of #### immediately because the guy has no chill at all. His ego has consumed him, and it's all a raft of delusions. I don't care if anyone puts me on ignore, but don't appreciate being painted as a wanton ####### when I literally just replied to something he said first.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

One would think that you may have gotten over your proclivity for blundering into impossible and unnecessary absolutes over the last few months... Alas.

With a post like this it’s easy to see you wrote it to cause ####; you could take your own advice and ignore DT and his claim that the flames won’t trade with the nucks but instead you do a drive by post that takes a shot at how he got Gaudreau wrong and here we are. Simply move on if you disagree with something or respond with a well thought out retort instead of childish responses that will turn threads into something that isn’t fun for anyone.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks are getting Lindholm for a 4th and a conditional 3rd in 2028

Quiet you

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Quiet you

The condition was that no one bad talk me. It's now a 5th in 2028. Way to go, stupid idiot.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The condition was that no one bad talk me. It's now a 5th in 2028. Way to go, stupid idiot.

Dammit! Of course, this season I tells ya!!

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You know what, F you all, I'm out. I don't need this ####. I go out of my way to find out stuff and I get this #### constantly. I had some bad info on Gaudreau that everybody got, even the GM. I broke Toffoli was going to be traded and why, what his contract asks were. I broke what Matthews AAV was going to be a week before the signed. I broke that Hanifin wanted to stay when Francis was saying otherwise and everybody #### on me for that too. When Dec said Markstrom was being shipped I said they hadn't even talked to him nor wanted to move him way before Friedman did. Now I have a bunch of posters calling me a liar so F it, I will just stop posting. My life is stressful enough with people being rude to me on a message board after I spend plenty of my free time reaching out to people I know to see what they are hearing. I don't need it.

I think every insider gets crapped on because they are never 100% accurate. The media guys get laughed at and called out all the time by the public. It’s the nature of putting yourself out there.

My suggestion would be to ignore those who want to troll you as opposed to letting it get to you. There will always be people who don’t believe what they hear or want to be contrarian.

Don’t let the bastards grind you down.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Kuzmenko is a fairly intriguing cap dump. He had 39 goals last year and still not quite 28 years old. We know the Canucks won’t win the cup so it won’t be 32nd overall. The prospect piece is the hardest one to gauge since they won’t move their top 2 and the rest of the pool is meh

I'd disagree.

Kuzmenko has 10 points in his last 30 games, and is proving to be a liability when not riding shotgun to an elite talent and shooting at 27.5%. He's also got a 12 team NTC which likely prevents him from going to a bottom feeder as a pure cap dump. To me Vancouver would need to incentivize another team to take that 5.5M dollar caphit for next season. He could very well thrive elsewhere, sure, but again, in a capworld that's not a risk many if any teams will take.

I also don't think it really matters if the pick is 27th or 32nd. It's a late pick in a mediocre draft class, and no where comparable to the pick traded in the Horvat deal.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

the obsession some folks have with trying to prove dissentowner and Sec 'wrong' is weird.

jealousy is a stinky cologne

I have no issue with him claiming he has an insider. It makes things more interesting.

He gets alot of blowback because he's insufferable.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

take it easy DT and know that a large contingent of CP is super appreciative of what posters like yourself have brought to the table. There’s a reason why a lot of non-flames fans come here for their hockey info first and it’s posters like you that keep this place informative and speculative all at the same time which is a hockey fans heaven

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames won't trade Lindholm to Vancouver. Not worth discussing.

Hm yes I agree, this does seem like it's contributing to people having a fun and speculative environment here, when someone who masquerades as an insider shuts down conversations and speculation at their own whimsy.

You are coddling a sociopath and it is difficult to understand.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks are getting Lindholm for a 4th and a conditional 3rd in 2028

ah, bummer

[dammage79]

And thus the Dissentowner cycle continues. Everything's hunky dory and when it's not does the whole threaten to leave shtick. See it once a year.

"I" broke this, "I" broke that, "I, I, I". Great, are we supposed to cower before your almighty self and defer to you everything we have an opinion? Should we threaten to leave every time someone call pur stuff out?

Perhaps it's not us that's the problem. Maybe don't be so definitive in your conjecture and ppl would be less inclined to jump on you. The Gaudreau stuff is never going to be let down, not because it went against what you were saying, but because you were a total A-Hole about it. Threaten to leave then too.

[Blaster86]

It's done. Move on. Trades and rumours, lets gooooo!


Tanev also apparently on Vancouver's radar again as of Soucy dying.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It's done. Move on. Trades and rumours, lets gooooo!


Tanev also apparently on Vancouver's radar again as of Soucy dying.

Can Vancouver fit both Tanev & Lindholm into their roster?
That feels like exactly what they need and maybe ups the quality of prospect Calgary could take back.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

It's done. Move on. Trades and rumours, lets gooooo!


Tanev also apparently on Vancouver's radar again as of Soucy dying.

If that’s true, I don’t think they’ll have the assets/cap space to trade for Lindholm as well. Would have to ask for their first round pick for Tanev… their first will be so late that it has closer value to a second round pick compared to other teams that will finish lower in the standings.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can Vancouver fit both Tanev & Lindholm into their roster?
That feels like exactly what they need and maybe ups the quality of prospect Calgary could take back.

I think there would be better teams to use this strategy with. Vancouver's prospect base is pretty mediocre, on par with ours. I would target someone who might have a difference maker in the mix if you're trying to score an "A" prospect. New Jersey and Detroit immediately come to mind.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Vancouver doesn't have much to offer us for Lindholm.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

And are very clearly not going in. Kuzmenko is the type of player the Flames would want as a cap compliance addition if they're doing the retool thing.

Again what teams are looking for a 2nd line center? Of those teams, which of those teams have the assets the Flames want? Of the teams with those assets, which of them are willing to pay that for a rental having a down year?

What team doesn't want a Lindholm?

What a bonkers take.

Colorado very much needs a 2C upgrade on Johannsen. And Boston could use a bolstering of the middle of their roster after losing talent there last summer. CAR has been rumoured to be sniffing around Lindholm multiple times this season. In all likelihood, that's the tip of the iceberg. Some teams will express more casual interest but most competitive teams will be checking in on the price tag.

Sorry, the Flames are injecting older players into the line up? News to me. They went after a 25 year old in Sharangovich, don't think they're going after a guy near Lindholm's age who probably doesn't have a lot of development left.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If that’s true, I don’t think they’ll have the assets/cap space to trade for Lindholm as well. Would have to ask for their first round pick for Tanev… their first will be so late that it has closer value to a second round pick compared to other teams that will finish lower in the standings.

The Canucks and Jets are at a tipping point right now. Do they not upset the appl cart and just let the season ride as is or do they enter the arms race to get that extra bit of depth to run a 7 game series against Colorado, Edmonton or Dallas. Really depends.

I think of the two teams , the Jets are likely the ones to go all in as their core is older and it's more of a last ride than the Canucks with a good young core that if they do it right, can build up over the next couple of seasons.

Will be interesting to see if the Canucks really enter the arms race.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Vancouver doesn't have much to offer us for Lindholm.

Well they do but apparently like Brad The Wizard, Rutherford wants quality UFAs for free.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And thus the Dissentowner cycle continues. Everything's hunky dory and when it's not does the whole threaten to leave shtick. See it once a year.

"I" broke this, "I" broke that, "I, I, I". Great, are we supposed to cower before your almighty self and defer to you everything we have an opinion? Should we threaten to leave every time someone call pur stuff out?

Perhaps it's not us that's the problem. Maybe don't be so definitive in your conjecture and ppl would be less inclined to jump on you. The Gaudreau stuff is never going to be let down, not because it went against what you were saying, but because you were a total A-Hole about it. Threaten to leave then too.

What you mean "maybe it is not us thats the problem", problem, he just got called a sociopath and a liar. There are better ways to make a point rather than mud slinging and name calling. Let's all be civil.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Well they do but apparently like Brad The Wizard, Rutherford wants quality UFAs for free.

TBF. The deadline is still a ways away. And GMs do nutty things under the pressure of a deadline. Tanner Jeanot anybody? Anyone? No? Okaaaaayyyyy.


I'd say until 2 weeks before the deadl8ne there's nothing but tire kicking going on. In Brad Trelivings world he'll still be kick8ng the tires as the thing rolls out the door to another buyer.