2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[traptor]

Kuzmenko + podkolzin + 1st for lindholm would be a pretty good haul imo.

Podkolzin has a Hugh ceiling and alot of runway left.

Kuzmenko could be a really nice buy low candidate. He put produced everyone on the flames last season.

Can also flip in as a rental next tdl

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Vancouver doesn't have much to offer us for Lindholm.

I suppose the question is what are your expectations?

Lindholm’s return will (hopefully) be a 1st + B prospect + NHL player of some sort. Vancouver absolutely has that to offer.

Now, if you’re talking about unrealistic returns…

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not looking at a unrealistic return, but a 1st that is more like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is not what we should be accepting. That is a Jay Feaster trade.

We should be getting a top prospect, 1st, and a cap dump if we retain.

Lindholm is the best player available on the market for a contender, giving him away for 2nd round picks and B prospects will make us look like fools.

Kind of like when Mark Stone was on the market, Vegas was able to put the screws to Ottawa because Stone would only sign with Vegas. I don't think Lindholm has a market yet in free agency to pull that over us.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

Kuzmenko + podkolzin + 1st for lindholm would be a pretty good haul imo.

Podkolzin has a Hugh ceiling and alot of runway left.

Kuzmenko could be a really nice buy low candidate. He put produced everyone on the flames last season.

Can also flip in as a rental next tdl

I hate when people say this like its apples and apples

Vancouver was playing firewagon hockey not giving a damn about D and he was playing with high end offensive players.

Calgary was playing a Sutter system with Toffolli their leading scorer

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not looking at a unrealistic return, but a 1st that is more like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is not what we should be accepting. That is a Jay Feaster trade.

We should be getting a top prospect, 1st, and a cap dump if we retain.

Lindholm is the best player available on the market for a contender, giving him away for 2nd round picks and B prospects will make us look like fools.

Kind of like when Mark Stone was on the market, Vegas was able to put the screws to Ottawa because Stone would only sign with Vegas. I don't think Lindholm has a market yet in free agency to pull that over us.

come on, Lindholm is not prime Mark Stone (27 and over a PPG at the time)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not looking at a unrealistic return, but a 1st that is more like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is not what we should be accepting. That is a Jay Feaster trade.

We should be getting a top prospect, 1st, and a cap dump if we retain.

Lindholm is the best player available on the market for a contender, giving him away for 2nd round picks and B prospects will make us look like fools.

Kind of like when Mark Stone was on the market, Vegas was able to put the screws to Ottawa because Stone would only sign with Vegas. I don't think Lindholm has a market yet in free agency to pull that over us.

What trade in recent years shows that you get a top prospect, a 1st, and a cap dump for a pending UFA?

Ryan O’Reilly didn’t return that. Bo Horvat didn’t return that.

You may want to go check what Ottawa got for Mark Stone. He returned a recent 1st (Brannstrom), a 2nd, and nothing else of value - and Lindholm is no Stone

[dino7c]

Horvat is the comparable IMO, should be around there

and a 1st is a 1st...none of this "more like a second" stuff

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on, Lindholm is not prime Mark Stone (27 and over a PPG at the time)

Name a better player available right now. He is not a prime Mark Stone, but he is the best player on the market right now.

He can play both special teams units, he is good at draws, he can play wing and C which becomes very valuable in the playoffs.

He has no injury history. Don't let him mailing it in because he is unhappy take away from what he can do.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Name a better player available right now. He is not a prime Mark Stone, but he is the best player on the market right now.

He can play both special teams units, he is good at draws, he can play wing and C which becomes very valuable in the playoffs.

He has no injury history. Don't let him mailing it in because he is unhappy take away from what he can do.

I think he is valuable but Stone was worth more

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What trade in recent years shows that you get a top prospect, a 1st, and a cap dump for a pending UFA?

Ryan O’Reilly didn’t return that. Bo Horvat didn’t return that.

You may want to go check what Ottawa got for Mark Stone. He returned a recent 1st (Brannstrom), a 2nd, and nothing else of value - and Lindholm is no Stone

Lindholm is better than Horvat. He should return a better package.

Teams will get desperate.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lindholm is better than Horvat. He should return a better package.

Teams will get desperate.

You ignored the point on Stone.

Lindholm is better than Horvat based on…what? His play this year is a disaster. His offensive production was very clearly propped up by Gaudreau, and I continue to believe that his defensive play was propped up by Tkachuk. I think your Lindholm analysis is absolutely incorrect.

Horvat was a better player when he got traded than Lindholm is now. When NYI acquired Horvat he had 54 points in 49 games (including 31 goals). Lindy won’t even hit that this season.

[FlamesAddiction]

There is some talk that because there are so many teams that believe they have a chance this season, that it should be a seller's market. Probably the pessimist in me, but I wonder if the opposite might actually occur. Maybe other teams are looking around the league right now and thinking that they have as a good of a shot as anyone, so it isn't a good time to go all in? I don't know how other GMs are looking at it, but I could see either case.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not looking at a unrealistic return, but a 1st that is more like a 2nd round pick and a B prospect is not what we should be accepting. That is a Jay Feaster trade.

We should be getting a top prospect, 1st, and a cap dump if we retain.

Lindholm is the best player available on the market for a contender, giving him away for 2nd round picks and B prospects will make us look like fools.

Kind of like when Mark Stone was on the market, Vegas was able to put the screws to Ottawa because Stone would only sign with Vegas. I don't think Lindholm has a market yet in free agency to pull that over us.

Then you're going to get disappointed.


Lindholm to Boston got a late 1st, 2 2nds, a B/C prospect, and a cap dump. Horvat got a mid 1st, a B prospect, and an underperforming winger who the Canucks could only get a 5th for.
Bertuzzi got a conditional 1st and a 4th
Chychrun got a 1st and 2 2nds, but he was under team control
Kane got 2 minor-league players, a conditional 2nd, and a 4th
Ekholm got Barrie (cap dump, basically), a B/C prospect, a 1st, and a 4th
Jeannot was very overpaid for and got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and 6/7 blueliner. Still no A prospect, which woudl equal to two 1sts, I think
The Caps got Craig Smith (middle-6 guy), a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Orlov AND Hathaway
Blues got a 1st, 2nd, a 3rd, a C prospect, and a minor-leaguer for O'Reilly AND Acciari and a C/D prospect


Not a top-tier prospect in sight.

[stemit14]

I wonder if Tampa has a need for Lindholm or Tanev. They have never been shy about trading first round picks but they might be wanting to rebuild their prospect pool. They have not had any first round picks in a while and they are a holding on to one of the wild card spots in the east. On the other hand, teams need to strike while their window is open and they are still a pretty good team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You ignored the point on Stone.

Lindholm is better than Horvat based on…what? His play this year is a disaster. His offensive production was very clearly propped up by Gaudreau, and I continue to believe that his defensive play was propped up by Tkachuk.

Horvat was a better player when he got traded than Lindholm is now.

I mean not to push back too much but Tkachuk is also +4 now on one of the top teams in the league.

That year was kinda lightning in a bottle for the whole lot of them

Lindholm is a very good two way player, should get a pretty good return, lets just not go overboard and then get mad later.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean not to push back too much but Tkachuk is also +4 now on one of the top teams in the league.

That year was kinda lightning in a bottle for the whole lot of them

Lindholm is a very good two way player, should get a pretty good return, lets just not go overboard and then get mad later.

But.. then what's the point of CP? That's what we do!!!

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

and a 1st is a 1st...none of this "more like a second" stuff

Come on now.
That is completely nonsensical.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ped

Then you're going to get disappointed.


Lindholm to Boston got a late 1st, 2 2nds, a B/C prospect, and a cap dump. Horvat got a mid 1st, a B prospect, and an underperforming winger who the Canucks could only get a 5th for.
Bertuzzi got a conditional 1st and a 4th
Chychrun got a 1st and 2 2nds, but he was under team control
Kane got 2 minor-league players, a conditional 2nd, and a 4th
Ekholm got Barrie (cap dump, basically), a B/C prospect, a 1st, and a 4th
Jeannot was very overpaid for and got a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, and 6/7 blueliner. Still no A prospect, which woudl equal to two 1sts, I think
The Caps got Craig Smith (middle-6 guy), a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Orlov AND Hathaway
Blues got a 1st, 2nd, a 3rd, a C prospect, and a minor-leaguer for O'Reilly AND Acciari and a C/D prospect


Not a top-tier prospect in sight.

Thanks Nashville you ####ing idiots

did Gary drop something off at the gaylord arena or whatever

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean not to push back too much but Tkachuk is also +4 now on one of the top teams in the league.

That year was kinda lightning in a bottle for the whole lot of them

Lindholm is a very good two way player, should get a pretty good return, lets just not go overboard and then get mad later.

I think these last two years have exposed Lindy for what he is - he’s a middle of the pack 2nd line centre, and without Gaudreau/Tkachuk he may even be better suited as a winger.

Let’s not forget that this is only his 3rd full season as a centre for the Flames, and since being separated from Chucky and Johnny his game has been in free fall.

I think your assessment on value is fair, and I honestly don’t think Lindholm being traded is going to be that big of a loss for the team. I think they’ve extracted the best years of his career already, and the team is wise to be moving on from him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

But.. then what's the point of CP? That's what we do!!!

You know Flames players are being over valued when I am the voice of reason to tone it down