2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I agree.

Never a bad thing to be mentioned in the top 2, 3 or 5 of the best defensive forwards in the game if you want to establish a reputation as a two way 200 foot player.

Now does it matter? Not sure it matter if you win or lose the trophy to a GM that should already know the player is good.

So you're saying that NHL GMs look at votes by journalists to determine how good a player is like dino7 is suggesting? Come on, that's just stupid. Teams know if a player is good on the defensive side of the puck and whether a player is getting votes because of a great offensive year rather than on solid defensive play. Therein lies part of the problem with the Selke.
You need big offensive numbers to stand a chance. But coming in second in a vote doesn't mean a damn thing. Teams evaluate players on their play and don't give a soft #### about what journalists have to say in votes for trophies.

I would say they would be more interested in what he's done since and how his game has kind of gone the wrong way? I think to teams that may be more concerning. On the arm chair QB side of things, do you think he equals the eight total votes he got last year with the journalists? More importantly, do you think that changes whether Lindholm can play the game both ways? I don't, and I know teams don't care about silly end of year votes.

[SuperMatt18]

On the Lindholm front I have heard there are some more proprietary types of analytics / data that really show him having a strong 200ft impact, regardless of the Selke votes. And my guess is most NHL GMs are using that type of data, opposed to maybe a Selke vote from a couple seasons back.

And to me that makes sense...even though it hasn't been Lindholm's best season by any standards (offensive or defensively IMO), he still does do a lot of little things that lead to success on the ice.

[Muta]

Conroy to other GM's as they start upping their bidding before the TDL:

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So you're saying that NHL GMs look at votes by journalists to determine how good a player is like dino7 is suggesting? Come on, that's just stupid. Teams know if a player is good on the defensive side of the puck and whether a player is getting votes because of a great offensive year rather than on solid defensive play. Therein lies part of the problem with the Selke.
You need big offensive numbers to stand a chance. But coming in second in a vote doesn't mean a damn thing. Teams evaluate players on their play and don't give a soft #### about what journalists have to say in votes for trophies.

I would say they would be more interested in what he's done since and how his game has kind of gone the wrong way? I think to teams that may be more concerning. On the arm chair QB side of things, do you think he equals the eight total votes he got last year with the journalists? More importantly, do you think that changes whether Lindholm can play the game both ways? I don't, and I know teams don't care about silly end of year votes.

I don't think teams look at trophy votes but GMs absolutely do make trades based on reputation and past history all time - trades where the player is not nearly not so good.

[Winsor_Pilates]

No GM is using a season between Tkachuk & Gaudreau and the Selke nomination that came with it to value Lindholm.
The league will see him as a player that was propped up by those 2 and is still a good player but definitely not that tier anymore; and they'd be correct.

If we get a late 1st and an ok prospect for him, I'm happy. Not signing him to a long term contract is addition by subtraction as well.

[GioforPM]

No contender is looking for Lindholm to be a 1C and replicate his career season numbers. They are contenders because they already have a 1C.

But they are looking for someone to be the Kadri on Colorado. The Chandler Stephenson. Jeff Carter.

[activeStick]

They're talking about both Lindholm and Tanev right now as possibilities for the Leafs on Real Kyper & Bourne. Yes... yes....

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by activeStick

They're talking about both Lindholm and Tanev right now as possibilities for the Leafs on Real Kyper & Bourne. Yes... yes....

What capital do they have?

[activeStick]

Not much if you remove the guys the Leafs have apparently labelled as "untouchable". They will need to pay up though...

[Jiri Hrdina]

I'd happily take their 1st for this year.
And then you are looking at guys like Easton Cowen, Fraser Mitten. Not much. The jewel is Knies but they aren't trading him.
I would try to get them to include Nick Robertson.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So you're saying that NHL GMs look at votes by journalists to determine how good a player is like dino7 is suggesting? Come on, that's just stupid. Teams know if a player is good on the defensive side of the puck and whether a player is getting votes because of a great offensive year rather than on solid defensive play. Therein lies part of the problem with the Selke.
You need big offensive numbers to stand a chance. But coming in second in a vote doesn't mean a damn thing. Teams evaluate players on their play and don't give a soft #### about what journalists have to say in votes for trophies.

I would say they would be more interested in what he's done since and how his game has kind of gone the wrong way? I think to teams that may be more concerning. On the arm chair QB side of things, do you think he equals the eight total votes he got last year with the journalists? More importantly, do you think that changes whether Lindholm can play the game both ways? I don't, and I know teams don't care about silly end of year votes.

Nope I'm saying getting mentioned at all means you're elite at your position.

You clearly didn't read far enough as I said an NHL GM wouldn't be swayed by the winner or the runner up.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What capital do they have?

Any conversation with the leafs begins with Conroy reminding Tre & Shanahan about the Brett Hull for Rob Ramage & Wamsley trade - This trade led directly to a SC. You want a shot at a cup and you think Tanev is your guy, no problem - Matthew Knies. Any hesitation by Tre, hang up.

I would prefer to trade Tanev (or any of the others) for peanuts to most any other team than to send him (them) to Toronto for anything less than Knies.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Okay, then a deal like should look like what? Originally I was thinking something along the lines of:

To Colorado: Lindholm (25% retained)

To Calgary: 1st rounder in 2024, Jean-Luc Foudy, 3rd rounder in 2025

With a salary dump like Johansen? What's $4M worth? We know a 1st costs $7M, so a 2nd or 3rd for $4M?

To Colorado: Lindholm (25% retained)

To Calgary: Johansen, 1st rounder in 2024, Jean-Luc Foudy, 3rd rounder in 2025, 2nd rounder in 2026

Maybe change the 2nd rounder to a player like Oskar Olausson and move the rebuild forward sooner? Personally, I'm for taking prospects that have already proven themselves through their first year of pro hockey over draft picks years out.

That $4M Johansen contract and a 50% retained on Lindholm make for an interesting trade potential with Colorado.

Part of the deal

2024 first round pick

Ritchie, Olausson

Foudy, Hanzel, or a second round pick

I agree that I would take a prospect that looks like they can succeed in professional hockey over the draft pick. I think that the cap space for a retained Lindholm and a removal of the Johansen $4M might be worth a top 3 prospect because it will allow a Landeskog to maybe get into the lineup before the end of the season instead of having to wait until the playoffs to get off of LTIR.

Pretty tight race to win it this year.
Teams have small windows and the Avalanche are in theirs and will be pushing to make sure that they win another cup.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by shutout

That $4M Johansen contract and a 50% retained on Lindholm make for an interesting trade potential with Colorado.

Part of the deal

2024 first round pick

Ritchie, Olausson

Foudy, Hanzel, or a second round pick

I agree that I would take a prospect that looks like they can succeed in professional hockey over the draft pick. I think that the cap space for a retained Lindholm and a removal of the Johansen $4M might be worth a top 3 prospect because it will allow a Landeskog to maybe get into the lineup before the end of the season instead of having to wait until the playoffs to get off of LTIR.

Pretty tight race to win it this year.
Teams have small windows and the Avalanche are in theirs and will be pushing to make sure that they win another cup.

Taking back Johansen’s salary also gives Colorado flexibility in the offseason to go after another top player in free agency (Lindholm/Reinhart/Stephenson). They would also still get to keep their picks for the 2025 draft so they could once again load up at the next trade deadline. It would be a smart move for Colorado as afar as maximizing their chances to win during this contention window.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by activeStick

They're talking about both Lindholm and Tanev right now as possibilities for the Leafs on Real Kyper & Bourne. Yes... yes....

Given that the teams play tonight, it's also an easy narrative to drive engagement from their viewers/listeners.

[iloveicedhockey]

To Toronto:
Tanev (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2024 5th round pick
2027 future considerations

[dammage79]

You deal with the Leafs for Lindholm, IMO, you don't touch anything without Liljgren and Knies. BT wants his boys, squeeze him. Otherwise pound sand buddy.

Absolutely overshoot any trade talks with Toronto.

[D as in David]

The Flames have an overabundance of B-prospect wingers. Not much value in them but Conroy could include one in a trade to improve the optics for the other GM. That or a later-round pick from the Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

SuperMatt mentioned Vegas earlier, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something. They'll want to fend off the Oilers, and unlike most GM's MacCrimmon is not a coward when it comes to trading prospects or picks. Can't see them sitting back if there's good immediate help available.

Could see them targeting Lindholm. They might even be able to re-sign him in the summer if they plan to let Stephenson go.

[LGA]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

To Toronto:
Tanev (50% retained)
Lindholm (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2024 5th round pick
2027 future considerations

I think the caveat there is that the Leafs are then required to sign Lindholm to the rumoured contract that he declined (8years 72 million) and Tanev gets a 7 year deal.

They will ice one and a half lines next year.