01-17-2024, 09:43 PM
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#17221
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I’d like Byram and trading those two for him makes sense. IMO you’re not getting all those extras plus him for two rentals though. And I’d still be ok with it.
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Let's break it down, you are getting normally a Selke candidate centre and one of the top defensive D men in the NHL for under $5M for your playoff run. You are also dumping a contract with money that hasn't worked out as hoped for and you gain that cap space. With moving out Johansson and Byram's money plus the cap going up you can probably get both guys to sign extensions. If they wanted to get someone to take on Johansson's contract it would probably cost them their 1st as cap space is premium and those who have it know they have the others over a barrel. I think the value is good, Foudy is a B prospect at this point.
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01-17-2024, 10:31 PM
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#17222
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Powerplay Quarterback
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This might not be popular but I'd do
Hanifin (50% retained) + lindholm (50% retained) for byram + foudy + 1st + johansen.
I would try to go for quality over quantity in the return for these UFAs and you we probably won't have an opportunity to get a more valuable young player then Byram.
I'm still not convinced the Avs would be willing to move Byram. I wouldn't if I was them.
Last edited by traptor; 01-17-2024 at 10:50 PM.
Reason: Remove the 1st and I'd still do it
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01-18-2024, 12:33 AM
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#17223
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I am going to go with my Byram hunch, Lindholm and Tanev to Colorado (50% retained) in exchange for Byram, 2024 1st, Johansson, Foudy.
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I don't mind this.
Then with Byram in and OK returning you deal Hanifin to NJ for a young forward (Holtz) and pick.
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01-18-2024, 01:04 AM
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#17224
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
I don't mind this.
Then with Byram in and OK returning you deal Hanifin to NJ for a young forward (Holtz) and pick.
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I still think the Flames will sign Hanifin. I am going to be honest, I would rather have Ritchie than Byram. Yes, Byram is a great talent but man is he always injured which is another reason why I can see the Avs more likely to part with him. He is injured right now again.
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01-18-2024, 08:55 AM
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#17225
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Posters said it would be a big loss
It hasn't been IMO
Every meaningful stat is in my favor
It was bold enough that people argued..wtf misses Zadorov putting pizzas up the middle?
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The Flames are giving up more defensively ... stat.
The goaltenders are making more saves ... stat.
They are meaningful as well.
Your stat is wins and losses right?
But the sad thing is how pointless this six week argument has been. Take out a 5 and replace him with a 7 and you're not going to be better because of that change.
You don't have to love or hate Zadorov to arrive at that conclusion.
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01-18-2024, 09:02 AM
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#17226
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Losing Zadorov in the line up for nothing is not a plus
But to be fair the scrub dmen have been holding up not too badly so far
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01-18-2024, 09:48 AM
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#17227
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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(hopefully not a Fata)
DFO's breakdown if Lindy.
All I got to say is that it's nice Connie and Flames in a position of relative strength with the team playing well as compared to the start of the season; I just hope we continue down the path of asset management and strategic foresight...
https://twitter.com/user/status/1748007878198546552
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01-18-2024, 09:52 AM
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#17228
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
The Flames are giving up more defensively ... stat.
The goaltenders are making more saves ... stat.
They are meaningful as well.
Your stat is wins and losses right?
But the sad thing is how pointless this six week argument has been. Take out a 5 and replace him with a 7 and you're not going to be better because of that change.
You don't have to love or hate Zadorov to arrive at that conclusion.
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I think Calgary has played much better since the trade as a team, does that have anything to do with Zadorov leaving, doubt it. Just the team playing as they should have, probably more coincidence than anything.
You can also say Vancouver is 14-3-3 since they got him, so he must be awesome. Also not true but he filled a need and brought more balance to their pairings, trade looks like a win/win unfortunately.
Both teams have been better since.
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01-18-2024, 10:01 AM
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#17229
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Everyone's focused on Byram from the Avs and maybe rightly so but i would also love Gulyayev. Great skating offensive dman who was also a first rounder last year. Younger without the concussion history and huge upside.
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01-18-2024, 10:11 AM
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#17230
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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We definitely have less between-the-legs-drop-pass-as-you-skate-behind-your-net events since Z left. That says it all for me.
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01-18-2024, 10:23 AM
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#17231
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Franchise Player
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There is an argument that Zadorov is paid too much for a 5 which I think has some merit. A #5D can only have so much impact on the game.
But a good #5 does give you some insurance in case of injury. Look at the games where Tanev didn't play and guys like Oesterle were getting bigger minutes.
Tanev plays 15 seconds and Flames lose 6-5 to Colorado.
5-4 L to Vegas
3-2 L to the Wild
4-2 W vs. the Lightning in a game where Vladar played great.
Zadorov probably helps a little bit in those games.
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01-18-2024, 10:23 AM
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#17232
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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SuperMatt mentioned Vegas earlier, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something. They'll want to fend off the Oilers, and unlike most GM's MacCrimmon is not a coward when it comes to trading prospects or picks. Can't see them sitting back if there's good immediate help available.
Flames were right to trade Zadorov, he checked out after that Toronto game. Sure he could have helped...but he had made up his mind that he wanted to leave. Moving on from guys like that fine by me.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 01-18-2024 at 10:25 AM.
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01-18-2024, 10:26 AM
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#17233
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Franchise Player
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Thats whati like about Vegas. Always aggressive and not scared to ship someone out.
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01-18-2024, 10:35 AM
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#17234
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by memphusk
Thats whati like about Vegas. Always aggressive and not scared to ship someone out.
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Yeah, I don't like somebof the cap shenanigans they pull. But why not if you can? They're willing to take the big risks and they've had some reward for it. They have an advantage that players will want to stay with the team once they get there. But they do leverage it. So I do admire how they go about things.
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01-18-2024, 10:46 AM
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#17235
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
SuperMatt mentioned Vegas earlier, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something. They'll want to fend off the Oilers, and unlike most GM's MacCrimmon is not a coward when it comes to trading prospects or picks. Can't see them sitting back if there's good immediate help available.
Flames were right to trade Zadorov, he checked out after that Toronto game. Sure he could have helped...but he had made up his mind that he wanted to leave. Moving on from guys like that fine by me.
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If they offered something like Korczak, 1st, 2nd or something like that I could see the Flames being interested.
6'3", RH shot, physical d-man...fills a role this team is missing long term.
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01-18-2024, 10:47 AM
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#17236
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Lindholm is a stud.
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01-18-2024, 10:48 AM
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#17237
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Lindholm for Ritchie+2nd
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I think that any deal that might involve the Flames and Avalanche will include Johansen. The $4M owed for next year is a lot for a team to pay an underachieving player on the third line when you want to be a contender.
Flames the deal works because it gives them a second line center with one year left on his deal who might be motivated to play next year for a new contract.
Gives the Flames some skill down the middle and an asset to move next year at the trade deadline.
That $4M Johansen contract and a 50% retained on Lindholm make for an interesting trade potential with Colorado.
Part of the deal
2024 first round pick
Ritchie or Byram
Foudy, Olausson, Hanzel, or a second round pick
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01-18-2024, 11:04 AM
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#17238
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shutout
I think that any deal that might involve the Flames and Avalanche will include Johansen. The $4M owed for next year is a lot for a team to pay an underachieving player on the third line when you want to be a contender.
Flames the deal works because it gives them a second line center with one year left on his deal who might be motivated to play next year for a new contract.
Gives the Flames some skill down the middle and an asset to move next year at the trade deadline.
That $4M Johansen contract and a 50% retained on Lindholm make for an interesting trade potential with Colorado.
Part of the deal
2024 first round pick
Ritchie or Byram
Foudy, Olausson, Hanzel, or a second round pick
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I think this is an example of maximizing trade value using salary retention and also taking back a contract. I personally think the Avalanche will not trade Byram as that is a contributing player for them who gives them insurance for any injuries to other defencemen. I would hope for Ritchie or Gulyayev though.
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01-18-2024, 11:05 AM
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#17239
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Franchise Player
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Maybe Cheveldayoff channels his inner-MacCrimmon and the Jets make a solid run at a Cup.
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01-18-2024, 11:09 AM
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#17240
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I wouldn't call Dino a troll.
I think he's a huge Flames fan, one that can be somewhat irrational at times.
But I've defended him for the most part over the years because I think it makes more sense to be pro Flames on a Flames fan site, than anti Flames.
He's in the right ditch and over the correct rumble strips (even if his car is totaled)
The Zadorov thing has been somewhat unhinged in my mind, but it's just because he quickly disconnects from ex-Flames and then looks for any reason why it's better that they're gone.
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