2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This sounds like a more detailed report of the things I have heard as well, that Hanifin has never wanted out and was always open to being here. As for the teams he will extend with I never had that info so I never talked about that but I can see your list being accurate, there might be a few more contenders in there too. I can definitely say that ever since Conroy got the gig there have been a lot of lowball offers on players that might be available. Whether that is the market or just other GM's testing the new guy I can't say. Personally, I would rather extend Hanifin than have out new GM set a bad precedent of taking poor offers for assets.

I agree with the bold. I also agree that GMs are probably testing him - and as long as he holds his ground, that should self-correct. But if it doesn't, then better to sign him than make a bad trade and paint himself forever as someone to take advantage of (like Feaster).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't see any scenario where the Flames let Hanifin walk for free in the summer, if they can't find the right deal they will extend him and he is definitely open to signing an extension here. If Boston wants him they will have to pony up. Personally I think Boston would be better served addressing their aging forward group and their centre depth than another big ticket D man.

I wasn't implying that the Flames would let him walk. I was suggesting that if he is traded anywhere other than Boston, they probably think he goes there as a rental, and they scoop him in the summer.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I wasn't implying that the Flames would let him walk. I was suggesting that if he is traded anywhere other than Boston, they probably think he goes there as a rental, and they scoop him in the summer.

Oh, my bad. Misunderstood.

[Niemo]

I’m onboard with trading him to Florida if that guarantees that MTL gets their pick next year.

[Samonadreau]

It would be tough to stomach having the top forward ufa and top defanse ufa on the trade market and not get the returns we have seen in the past for these players. Like what am I missing? TDL is still over a month away. there's gotta be better offers on the horizon.

[Sec214]

This thread is filled with spicy takes today.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Sec214

This thread is filled with spicy takes today.

Love the insider takes from yourself and Dis...

But honestly every one of them makes me wish the insiders feeding the information didn't work for the team.

[bluejays]

It kinda sucks that Hanifin won’t extend with the needed teams. Forces the Flames into an extend situation which I guess it’s alright but why do we want to sign another guy to a long term deal when the compete window will be down the road? Just seems like they can’t win in any scenario these days. The Lindholm deal has to be a home run. And anyone else who can get a 1st has to be thrown in the pot, including Andersson.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

It would be tough to stomach having the top forward ufa and top defanse ufa on the trade market and not get the returns we have seen in the past for these players. Like what am I missing? TDL is still over a month away. there's gotta be better offers on the horizon.

Have to remember that the flames to get a bigger haul from hanifin has always been sign and trade. That said the player was never going to sign with just any team just to appease the flames. Flames might have to accept that if they do trade hanifin it’s for rental prices. The same goes for the other 2 ufas.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe something to take with a grain of salt because it's not 100% a confirmed source but I heard this today (I'll let Dissentowner or Sec214 confirm or deny if they have better info)

Flames are in a bit of a weird spot with Hanifin.

There are teams are willing to pay close to the asking price for Hanifin but only if he will extend. The is issue is generally he only wants to extend in a couple places (Calgary, Boston, Florida, one other unknown place) and as of right now those teams aren't the teams with the best offer on the table.

Those teams are interested in the player but don't really want to step up to pay the price. Boston and Florida don't have their 2024 1sts, which the Flames don't love as they'd prefer the picks be sooner. And those teams also don't have deep prospect pools, and aren't willing to move top prospects they do have (Poitras, Lundell, Samoskevich).

Which has reopened the door to the Flames signing him since there is still interest from
both sides in him re-signing, or hoping a team would be willing to pay the premium without a contract being agreed upon at the time of the trade.

Desired outcomes:

1. Trade an extended Hanifin for a premium
2. Trade Hanifin as a rental for whatever the market will bear

Re-signing Hanifin shouldn't even be a real option. I really hope it's all posturing (but that seems unlikely at this stage). The Flames assessment of their own players has always been off (see: pretty much every off-season where management says we're a good team that just underachieved).

I really hope this is all posturing, as Hanifin should be traded and the Flames shouldn't be afraid to go in a new direction. Hanifin is not an irreplacable component.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Desired outcomes:

1. Trade an extended Hanifin for a premium
2. Trade Hanifin as a rental for whatever the market will bear

Re-signing Hanifin shouldn't even be a real option. I really hope it's all posturing (but that seems unlikely at this stage). The Flames assessment of their own players has always been off (see: pretty much every off-season where management says we're a good team that just underachieved).

I really hope this is all posturing, as Hanifin should be traded and the Flames shouldn't be afraid to go in a new direction. Hanifin is not an irreplacable component.

#3 could still be trade Hanifin after an extension and get better value than dumping him at the deadline.
#4 could be keeping Hanifin means trading Andersson and getting a decent return there instead.

I’m not super doom and gloom if they keep Hanifin even though I want a rebuild. If all Boston and Florida are offering are crap then keeping Hanifin might be the better asset play in the end.

Tanev and Lindholm have to go no matter what though. It is really to bad New Jersey isn’t an attractive destination. I feel like they would have given the best return for Tkachuk and Hanifin.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil. Going with the flow, it's all a game to me

You know I'm born to lose, gamblin's for fools. But that's the way I like it baby, I don't want to live forever.

And dont forget the joker.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

#3 could still be trade Hanifin after an extension and get better value than dumping him at the deadline.
#4 could be keeping Hanifin means trading Andersson and getting a decent return there instead.

I’m not super doom and gloom if they keep Hanifin even though I want a rebuild. If all Boston and Florida are offering are crap then keeping Hanifin might be the better asset play in the end.

Tanev and Lindholm have to go no matter what though. It is really to bad New Jersey isn’t an attractive destination. I feel like they would have given the best return for Tkachuk and Hanifin.

Or even better trade both.

Hanifin turns 27 in two weeks, the Flames are likely 5 years away from being competitive at best, likely longer if they choose to keep a guy like Hanifin. That puts him at 32 when you are ready to compete, not ancient but potentially looking at starting to decline. That is also 5 years of paying him a premium to miss the play-offs, taking it to 7 years in a row you have him in his prime with no play-off hockey, not great.

As much as winning teams have guys like Hanifin what they really have is guys better than Hanifin and we hurt our chances to get that player by keeping him around.

It wouldn't be a total disaster to keep him around but it would be a very dumb move that hurts the franchise going forward. It really shouldn't be a question whether he is traded or re-signed but with this ownership and perhaps management group they fight hard against what the correct path to take is.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bonded

#3 could still be trade Hanifin after an extension and get better value than dumping him at the deadline.
#4 could be keeping Hanifin means trading Andersson and getting a decent return there instead.

I’m not super doom and gloom if they keep Hanifin even though I want a rebuild. If all Boston and Florida are offering are crap then keeping Hanifin might be the better asset play in the end.

Tanev and Lindholm have to go no matter what though. It is really to bad New Jersey isn’t an attractive destination. I feel like they would have given the best return for Tkachuk and Hanifin.

The problem with your #3 is that his extension will come with no trade clauses. Hanifin will still control which teams he will go to . More than likely it’s still Boston and Florida.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The problem with your #3 is that his extension will come with no trade clauses. Hanifin will still control which teams he will go to . More than likely it’s still Boston and Florida.

Yeah, but then they can’t just run down the clock and get him for free. My guess is that the preference is to trade him and they are trying to get Boston or Florida to cough something up good

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't see any scenario where the Flames let Hanifin walk for free in the summer, if they can't find the right deal they will extend him and he is definitely open to signing an extension here. If Boston wants him they will have to pony up. Personally I think Boston would be better served addressing their aging forward group and their centre depth than another big ticket D man.

See, there’s the problem. A lot of us can see this management team walking any or all of our soon to be UFAs to free agency and getting nothing in return. Conroy cut his teeth under Treliving who did just that to begin the slow implosion of a team with promise. I would hope Conroy would learn something but until he proves otherwise you have to be concerned about this potential. What we have seen is the Flames as an organization have been terrible at maintaining control over players and imposing deadlines and acting on those deadlines. Hanifin, Lindholm, and Tanev must be turned into assets that further reshape this team in a positive way. Treliving left a steam bag of #### behind and Conroy has to begin turning this around. He can’t screw this up but based on inaction and the continual changes in direction there are indicators this is a strong possibility. We all hope it doesn’t happen, but the possibility remains.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but then they can’t just run down the clock and get him for free. My guess is that the preference is to trade him and they are trying to get Boston or Florida to cough something up good

They can trade him as a rental to other teams. It’s a sign and trade that looks like it will be tough to do because of where he will sign.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Then that's just what he's worth.

The Flames should not be falling in love with players on their roster. They've incorrectly assessed their own rosters for years - so if all they can muster on the trade market is lowball offers, then that's just what the player is worth...and that should probably be a good indicator that they shouldn't be locking into him longterm.

Why are you treating the roster like a single entity to be kept or rejected?

Hanifin is a singular decision, just like Lindholm and Tanev.

They've already moved Toffoli and Zadorov from that UFA list.

If they choose to sign Hanifin it isn't an endorsement of this year's roster, last year's roster or a plan to remain mediocre ... it's a a decision on the asset value of Hanifin as a singular decision.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

They can trade him as a rental to other teams. It’s a sign and trade that looks like it will be tough to do because of where he will sign.

For sure but that can wait till the deadline. Most of this posturing is trying to get value on a sign and trade

[Heavy Jack]

Honestly before any of the trades happened at the start of the offseason with the 5 UFA’s if you had asked me which of the 5 I’d want to extend if I had to choose I’d choose Hanifin 100 times out of 100. He turns 27 in a couple weeks and is almost at 700 games played already which is ridiculous, D tend to take more progressional steps in their careers too and I think Hanifin has another gear to tap into. There are worse things than extending a 25 mins a night, puck moving D about to enter his prime ages and who wants to be here. Ideally we trade him but I’m not crying if we extend Hanifin.