2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Ugh, please no. Conroy has got to be smarter than handing out 8-year deals like this.

If not, just save the GM money and let some AI robot do it.

He’s not 30 though. He’s been consistent since he came into the league. Not as big a gamble as some of our other 8 year deals.

[FlamesAddiction]

Maybe we can offer a bunch of spare parts, like the Phaneuf trade. It has to be our turn one day to pull off something like that.

[Groot]

Even if Hanifin re-signs for 8 years, doesn't mean he plays out the contract with Calgary. He can still be traded at anytime, and likely return more than a rental, especially if the Flames retain.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So as it is now the Flames are going to have a couple of million dollars of capspace. If the cap is going up $5 million and we’re dumping one or more of Lindholm, Hanifin and Tanev they are going to have a lot of flexibility this offseason.

The Flames have 12 players signed, 8F, 2D, 2G, and $31M in capspace.

RFAs with NHL games played: Dube, Pospisil, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Solovyov.

UFAs:

3F: Lindholm, Greer, Rooney.
6D: Hanifin, Tanev, Kylington, Oesterle, DeSimone, Gilbert

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Groot

Even if Hanifin re-signs for 8 years, doesn't mean he plays out the contract with Calgary. He can still be traded at anytime, and likely return more than a rental, especially if the Flames retain.

I imagine he'll get himself a full NMC.

Flames wanted to keep but got rejected by Lindholm (will only take an unreasonable salary to stay).

Flames wanted to keep and (likely?) are keeping Hanifin.

Where's the shift? Team is devoid of top-end talent, and they don't actually seem to care. Frustration for me will hit an all-time high if they re-sign Noah at this point.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by traptor

Francis confidently saying he thinks hanifin is signed over next 2-3 weeks 7.5x8.

Hopefully he's wrong and it's posturing

Not would I would do. The flames won’t rebuild and at most will re-tool. If they get a 1st in the deal , there is a good chance they would use it in trade for a player already playing in nhl. So yeah I can definitely see flames going the route of re-signing him. Again not would I would do.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He’s not 30 though. He’s been consistent since he came into the league. Not as big a gamble as some of our other 8 year deals.

Why, why, why lock yourself into paying for multiple years of their 30s when your team is bad and a 1st round pick 17 year old is staring you in the face?

No doubt this masterpiece will be accompanied by its most common accoutrement. Like steak and potatoes, it’ll be an 8-year deal locking up half his 30s and a full NMC. Just what the doctor ordered for this team.

[Muta]

Imagine the zaniness on CP if Conroy re-signed Tanev to an 8-year deal, taking him to 42 years old. I think people would start hunting each other.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

To add to this, if you ice a team that is completely devoid of any talent then, you're sending all of your young and rookie players out to fail, miserably, every night. That does nothing to build confidence. You need to strike a balance in this situation.

Everyone clambering for full tear down is just blinded by the prospect of getting a high pick. Expecting young players to play like #### and 'tank' is far more cancerous. Putting them in a position to fail is far more cancerous. That takes years to undo.

This chorus of 'tank at all costs' is really goddamned annoying and incredibly short-sighted.

Fans are letting wishful thinking get the better of them. The Flames braintrust has given no indication that they’re interested in doing a ‘sell all the vets and dive for the bottom of the standings’ rebuild.

Lindholm, Tanev, and maybe Hanifin will be moved for picks and younger players. Maybe a minor deal moving out Dube in the summer. The cap space freed up will be used to sign a couple UFA d-men and a forward. The team won’t trade away picks for veterans for the next couple seasons. That’s likely what this retool will entail.

[Roof-Daddy]

I would rather trade Hanifin than sign him, but that's easy for me to say when I don't know what teams are offering to acquire him.

The good thing about him is he's young enough to still be a part of the solution 3-5 years from now.

If teams aren't giving up value to get him then signing him might be the better option. Just have to make sure he doesn't walk out the door as a UFA. That's the most important thing.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would rather trade Hanifin than sign him, but that's easy for me to say when I don't know what teams are offering to acquire him.

The good thing about him is he's young enough to still be a part of the solution 3-5 years from now.

If teams aren't giving up value to get him then signing him might be the better option. Just have to make sure he doesn't walk out the door as a UFA. That's the most important thing.

Yeah but what's the Flames perspective of value too? They could be pricing themselves out at the same time.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Fans are letting wishful thinking get the better of them. The Flames braintrust has given no indication that they’re interested in doing a ‘sell all the vets and dive for the bottom of the standings’ rebuild.

Lindholm, Tanev, and probably Hanifin will be moved for picks and younger players. Maybe a minor deal moving out Dube in the summer. The cap space freed up will be used to sign a couple UFA d-men and a forward. The team won’t trade away picks for veterans for the next couple seasons. That’s likely what this retool will entail.

They're nearly there while trying to be good. Locking themselves into that mediocrity seems like a not so smart decision.

"Hey, so we're definitely going to draft in that 7-16 range this season...how can we make sure that we get back to that 10-16 range, and absolutely make certain we don't drop into the top-5...better lock this mediocrity in long-term!"

Signing Noah Hanifin at this point is like San Jose signing Tomas Hertl...except he'll be accompanied by enough other mediocre veterans that it'll just keep the Flames exactly in that mediocre range, and not bad enough to meaningfully build a better team (...which is where they want to be?). It's just stupid.

[Matty81]

I'm assuming the returns being offered are underwhelming if this is the play. He's clearly been on the market this year since the original negotiations fell down so probably just a bunch of bad lowball offers coming in and signing him is considered the better move from a value perspective. It's too bad they couldn't get his AAV in under 7 though.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I'm assuming the returns being offered are underwhelming if this is the play. He's clearly been on the market this year since the original negotiations fell down so probably just a bunch of bad lowball offers coming in and signing him is considered the better move from a value perspective. It's too bad they couldn't get his AAV in under 7 though.

Then that's just what he's worth.

The Flames should not be falling in love with players on their roster. They've incorrectly assessed their own rosters for years - so if all they can muster on the trade market is lowball offers, then that's just what the player is worth...and that should probably be a good indicator that they shouldn't be locking into him longterm.

[Jason14h]

If Hanifin wants to stay why not be traded as a rental and just resign in the offseason and help the team ?

I would rather the Flames get assets in a trade and then pay an extra million a year for him on a 7 year deal

[butterfly]

Oh, your market is soft? Don’t worry. We have a big money max term deal for you with a side of NMC!

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If Hanifin wants to stay why not be traded as a rental and just resign in the offseason and help the team ?

I would rather the Flames get assets in a trade and then pay an extra million a year for him on a 7 year deal

Get the assets in a trade and let him find his own 7-year deal elsewhere.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The trade deadline is still 2 months away. Maybe it's just me getting older, but I don't see the need to freak out or come to any conclusions about the direction of the franchise just quite yet. They're going to make some trades but if they hold onto Hanifin or Coleman it's not because management thinks this team is a contender or those players are superstars, but rather you actually need some warm bodies to put out on the ice. I think this team is going to look a lot different on March 9th compared to today.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They're nearly there while trying to be good. Locking themselves into that mediocrity seems like a not so smart decision.

"Hey, so we're definitely going to draft in that 7-16 range this season...how can we make sure that we get back to that 10-16 range, and absolutely make certain we don't drop into the top-5...better lock this mediocrity in long-term!"

Signing Noah Hanifin at this point is like San Jose signing Tomas Hertl...except he'll be accompanied by enough other mediocre veterans that it'll just keep the Flames exactly in that mediocre range, and not bad enough to meaningfully build a better team (...which is where they want to be?). It's just stupid.

I don’t disagree. But the only person whose opinion matters here is the guy who signs the cheques.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The trade deadline is still 2 months away. Maybe it's just me getting older, but I don't see the need to freak out or come to any conclusions about the direction of the franchise just quite yet. They're going to make some trades but if they hold onto Hanifin or Coleman it's not because management thinks this team is a contender or those players are superstars, but rather you actually need some warm bodies to put out on the ice. I think this team is going to look a lot different on March 9th compared to today.

Their names can just as well be Ben Jones and Ilya Solovyov. What are we trying to do here?

I suppose I am freaking out if Francis really said that.