2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by traptor

Drafting is all playing the odds. Higher picks have better odds. So does having more picks.

Disagree. It's all about developing good base material.


Some teams (cough cough Oilers) have had LOADS of high picks and lots of potential. Hasn't done crap for them.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by traptor

If we could gurantee a couple top 10 picks over the next few seasons I would feel alot better about signing Hanifin.
Unfortunately, I think signing him helps keep us away from top 10 picks.

I think hanifin and lindholm get you around a 1st+2nd+3rd worth of value each. Tanev is probably around a 2nd+4th worth of value.
That's just pick value, could be prospects coming back instead like a lohrei, bourque or lambert for example.
We lose alot of value not trading him.

Drafting is all playing the odds. Higher picks have better odds. So does having more picks.

Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil. Going with the flow, it's all a game to me

You know I'm born to lose, gamblin's for fools. But that's the way I like it baby, I don't want to live forever.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil. Going with the flow, it's all a game to me

You know I'm born to lose, gamblin's for fools. But that's the way I like it baby, I don't want to live forever.

RIP Lemmy.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Time for the Flames to do things differently. Move Hanifin.

Just go and get that haul.

Honestly, we would be wasting the rest of Hanifin's prime here if we extended him. What the #### would be the point? Even if he's highly useful. We're not competing soon.

This is what Francis/scooter doesn't get through his noggin before doing his water carrying act on air for Flames ownership (anti-rebuild).

No you probably won't get a d-man as good with your picks, but you might just get another player or two that's good in another facet of the game that develops at the right time when the team is ready to make another run that we didn't have on this current squad.

It's always a balancing act. But sometimes it's not worth it to cling to talent just because it's good and has a few years of tread still. It has to be appropriate from a team/timing perspective.

It isn't. Getting a haul is very much in line with the Flames' best course of action for where they are right now though.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Disagree. It's all about developing good base material.


Some teams (cough cough Oilers) have had LOADS of high picks and lots of potential. Hasn't done crap for them.

Yeah I agree. A huge component is development. I think it's safe to say it's a bit of both.

Either way though, it's better to have more then less. If it comes to developing, more picks will just mean more good players.

[Sandman]

I agree with keeping some quality veterans around to usher in the next wave of young players in the event of a rebuild/re-tool- I believe that's essential. Thing is, why would we NEED to keep Hanifin when we'll have Weegar and Andersson around to fill that role? Both guys are solid players, and competitive.

The only thing that concerns me is that Andersson might not age well because of his skating (which isn't terrible, but he's no burner), whereas Hanifin is an elite skater, so he'll still be able to keep up as he ages....

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Weegar more than fills that mentor role for me on the back end.

I don't think that's even Hanfin's forte given his quieter personality. So it's not a great argument.

We need a much larger ratio of talented young guys to sage veterans. We have to use our chips to get them.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Weegar more than fills that mentor role for me on the back end.

I don't think that's even Hanfin's forte given his quieter personality. So it's not a great argument.

We need a much larger ratio of talented young guys to sage veterans. We have to use our chips to get them.

Let me just make it clear that I was making an argument FOR trading Hanifin.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Let me just make it clear that I was making an argument FOR trading Hanifin.

Oh yeah, I got that. Was just reinforcing the take.

I feel like these points can't be made enough with Francis and Wills lurking the boards this year, who are like the two worst culprits for short-sighted takes.

Food for thought, boys. Food for thought...

[SuperMatt18]

Maybe something to take with a grain of salt because it's not 100% a confirmed source but I heard this today (I'll let Dissentowner or Sec214 confirm or deny if they have better info)

Flames are in a bit of a weird spot with Hanifin.

There are teams are willing to pay close to the asking price for Hanifin but only if he will extend. The is issue is generally he only wants to extend in a couple places (Calgary, Boston, Florida, one other unknown place) and as of right now those teams aren't the teams with the best offer on the table.

Those teams are interested in the player but don't really want to step up to pay the price. Boston and Florida don't have their 2024 1sts, which the Flames don't love as they'd prefer the picks be sooner. And those teams also don't have deep prospect pools, and aren't willing to move top prospects they do have (Poitras, Lundell, Samoskevich).

Which has reopened the door to the Flames signing him since there is still interest from
both sides in him re-signing, or hoping a team would be willing to pay the premium without a contract being agreed upon at the time of the trade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe something to take with a grain of salt because it's not 100% a confirmed source but I heard this today (I'll let Dissentowner or Sec214 confirm or deny if they have better info)

Flames are in a bit of a weird spot with Hanifin.

There are teams are willing to pay close to the asking price for Hanifin but only if he will extend. The is issue is generally he only wants to extend in a couple places (Calgary, Boston, Florida, one other unknown place) and as of right now those teams aren't the teams with the best offer on the table.

Those teams are interested in the player but don't really want to step up to pay the price. Boston and Florida don't have their 2024 1sts, which the Flames don't love as they'd prefer the picks be sooner. And those teams also don't have deep prospect pools, and aren't willing to move top prospects they do have (Poitras, Lundell, Samoskevich).

Which has reopened the door to the Flames signing him since there is still interest from
both sides in him re-signing, or hoping a team would be willing to pay the premium without a contract being agreed upon at the time of the trade.

I think that is quite likely true. And if I'm Boston, I'm not paying up either, as they no doubt think they can get him for free in the summer.

The key will be to convince Hanifin that he wants to sign with one of the hungrier teams - Jersey is beautiful! Right? right?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe something to take with a grain of salt because it's not 100% a confirmed source but I heard this today (I'll let Dissentowner or Sec214 confirm or deny if they have better info)

Flames are in a bit of a weird spot with Hanifin.

There are teams are willing to pay close to the asking price for Hanifin but only if he will extend. The is issue is generally he only wants to extend in a couple places (Calgary, Boston, Florida, one other unknown place) and as of right now those teams aren't the teams with the best offer on the table.

Those teams are interested in the player but don't really want to step up to pay the price. Boston and Florida don't have their 2024 1sts, which the Flames don't love as they'd prefer the picks be sooner. And those teams also don't have deep prospect pools, and aren't willing to move top prospects they do have (Poitras, Lundell, Samoskevich).

Which has reopened the door to the Flames signing him since there is still interest from
both sides in him re-signing, or hoping a team would be willing to pay the premium without a contract being agreed upon at the time of the trade.

If that is the case I would much prefer the Flames sign him and move Anderson to one of the 31 teams you can trade him to. Three playoff runs with Rasmus at his dollar figure has to be worth a big return. If the Flames are planning on sucking for the next two years anyway it does not really matter if they have a Rasmus on a better contract, especially if the return on a Rasmus trade is higher than the return on a Hanifin trade.

I would also much rather have Hanifin in 6 years than Rasmus.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Disagree. It's all about developing good base material.


Some teams (cough cough Oilers) have had LOADS of high picks and lots of potential. Hasn't done crap for them.

The value of a pick is the value of the pick regardless of what the Oilers or anyone else does with the pick. The higher the pick the higher the probability of the player being a difference maker. The more picks you have the greater your odds of finding NHLers.

It's such a horrible take to point to incompetence and assume that because one management group is incompetent they all will be.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Thinking this is something that resolves itself with time. Desperation should mount when other teams top up their rosters with trade acquisitions.

Like maybe a three team trade could come to fruition where Hanifin goes where he will re-sign and the Flames also get their 2024 1st round pick (with other chips being moved around).

Will be a nice test for Conroy as GM to get creative and find solutions.

[memphusk]

Maybe there isn't any other team out there willing to pay him 7.5?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Maybe there isn't any other team out there willing to pay him 7.5?

I bet there are but maybe not where he wants to go

[dammage79]

So once again an opportunity evades the franchise because reasons. Nicely done everyone. Slow clap.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe something to take with a grain of salt because it's not 100% a confirmed source but I heard this today (I'll let Dissentowner or Sec214 confirm or deny if they have better info)

Flames are in a bit of a weird spot with Hanifin.

There are teams are willing to pay close to the asking price for Hanifin but only if he will extend. The is issue is generally he only wants to extend in a couple places (Calgary, Boston, Florida, one other unknown place) and as of right now those teams aren't the teams with the best offer on the table.

Those teams are interested in the player but don't really want to step up to pay the price. Boston and Florida don't have their 2024 1sts, which the Flames don't love as they'd prefer the picks be sooner. And those teams also don't have deep prospect pools, and aren't willing to move top prospects they do have (Poitras, Lundell, Samoskevich).

Which has reopened the door to the Flames signing him since there is still interest from
both sides in him re-signing, or hoping a team would be willing to pay the premium without a contract being agreed upon at the time of the trade.

This sounds like a more detailed report of the things I have heard as well, that Hanifin has never wanted out and was always open to being here. As for the teams he will extend with I never had that info so I never talked about that but I can see your list being accurate, there might be a few more contenders in there too. I can definitely say that ever since Conroy got the gig there have been a lot of lowball offers on players that might be available. Whether that is the market or just other GM's testing the new guy I can't say. Personally, I would rather extend Hanifin than have out new GM set a bad precedent of taking poor offers for assets.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think that is quite likely true. And if I'm Boston, I'm not paying up either, as they no doubt think they can get him for free in the summer.

The key will be to convince Hanifin that he wants to sign with one of the hungrier teams - Jersey is beautiful! Right? right?

I can't see any scenario where the Flames let Hanifin walk for free in the summer, if they can't find the right deal they will extend him and he is definitely open to signing an extension here. If Boston wants him they will have to pony up. Personally I think Boston would be better served addressing their aging forward group and their centre depth than another big ticket D man.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So once again an opportunity evades the franchise because reasons. Nicely done everyone. Slow clap.

We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out of course.

But it does seem par for the course with this organization

Man is it exhausting.

It's like that person who just has bad #### happen to them all the time. But they also make terrible life decisions after terrible life decision.