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Old 01-05-2024, 11:35 AM   #15561
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it's been an issue for him for a long time. Including at WJCs and what not, where they were important games and he was awful.
I hear you, and I probably value effort and heart more than most people, but something about him just feels like he is going to figure it out one day. And if/when he does, he will be a really good player.
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These descriptions of Lambert reminds me a lot of Jonathan Drouin… crazy amount of skill but just seems to disappear for long stretches in games. I’m sure there are players like him that put it together and turn into star players and others that turn into something more like Drouin - being a league-min player that gets powerplay time.
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Old 01-05-2024, 11:38 AM   #15563
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I hear you, and I probably value effort and heart more than most people, but something about him just feels like he is going to figure it out one day. And if/when he does, he will be a really good player.
Much prefer to swing for the fence than grab a guaranteed solid third liner
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Old 01-05-2024, 11:48 AM   #15564
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Especially when said poster was warned.

Give them the space to prove the warning was received.
I was just grateful to have had a good discussion with Bonded, Roof Daddy, and a few others yesterday without that nonsense.

Didn’t mention anybody by name.

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Nobody is going to trade a 20 yrs old with 1st pairing potential for a rental and a 35 yrs old inconsistent goalie

Doesn’t matter what you think of him. They drafted him 2nd overall. They are happy with him. They are a young team. They don’t need to go all in now
The Rangers are a young team?

Panarin - 32
Zibenijad - 30
Krieder - 32
Trouba - 29
Shesterkin- 28


Sure they have some decent young pieces but their core is very much in a win now mode they are literally 1st place in the league. I agree that they won’t pay the price of Schneider for Tanev but disagree they don’t need to go all in
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:01 PM   #15566
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Here’s my attempt at returns from each team for Lindholm (50% retained). I’m going to assume the most NHL-ready top prospects that could contribute in this year’s playoffs are probably the least likely for these teams to trade because those are the guys that could be needed if injuries come up. Playoff teams like to keep guys like those around.

Rangers: 2024 1st round pick + Gabe Perrault
Avalanche: 2024 1st round pick + Callum Ritchie
Stars: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Christian Kyrou
Jets: 2024 1st round pick + 2024 2nd round pick + Brad Lambert

The Rangers and Avalanche prospects that I’m putting into these trades are a higher level prospect IMO than the ones I’m putting in from Dallas and Winnipeg so I don’t include a 2nd round pick with them. For each of these prospects, I just looked at the NHL.com top five prospect rankings within each organization. I picked either the 4th or 5th-ranked top prospect and made sure they weren’t a player projected to make their team this season. Some of these prospects might still be too elite though to be considered in a trade for a Lindholm rental.
If we get Perreault and a 1st round pick for 40 games of Lindholm I will put on my Flames jersey and dance a jig in the street.
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:03 PM   #15567
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I would give up a ton for Perrault as he was my favorite prospect in the Flames' range in this past draft.

But I would have concerns over whether he signs with the Flames. That seems to be why he fell to New York.
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:04 PM   #15568
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The Rangers are a young team?

Panarin - 32
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Krieder - 32
Trouba - 29
Shesterkin- 28


Sure they have some decent young pieces but their core is very much in a win now mode they are literally 1st place in the league. I agree that they won’t pay the price of Schneider for Tanev but disagree they don’t need to go all in
I thought he was talking about the Devils and Nemec.. not the Rangers and Kakko.
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I would give up a ton for Perrault as he was my favorite prospect in the Flames' range in this past draft.

But I would have concerns over whether he signs with the Flames. That seems to be why he fell to New York.
His dad played in Canada, he was even born in Canada and played for Canada at a world championship.
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:25 PM   #15570
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Buffalo is loaded with forward talent. Ostlund, Kulich are NHL ready, Savoie looks really good. Any chance we can pry one away for a signed Hanifin
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Hey Noah, we want you to sign this 8 year deal to head to Buffalo.

Hello? Hello?
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Hey Noah, we want you to sign this 8 year deal to head to Buffalo.

Hello? Hello?
Hahaha, I understand…
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:32 PM   #15573
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Hey Noah, we want you to sign this 8 year deal to head to Buffalo.

Hello? Hello?
Easy travel, sick young core, probably overpay a bit to keep him…

Do people just not make “business decisions” anymore?
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:32 PM   #15574
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Buffalo is loaded with forward talent. Ostlund, Kulich are NHL ready, Savoie looks really good. Any chance we can pry one away for a signed Hanifin
Clifton and Johnson haven’t worked out for BUF, so I could see them bringing in Hanifin if they were confident they could sign him. I think any of those guys would be available.
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:33 PM   #15575
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^^ No. They make lifestyle choices.

He'll earn a good salary anywhere, but if its a sign and trade he kind of holds those cards.
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Old 01-05-2024, 12:35 PM   #15576
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Nobody is going to trade a 20 yrs old with 1st pairing potential for a rental and a 35 yrs old inconsistent goalie

Doesn’t matter what you think of him. They drafted him 2nd overall. They are happy with him. They are a young team. They don’t need to go all in now
Markstrom is actually quite consistent. The only real anomaly in his last eight years is last season - his ceiling isn’t quite as high as we’d like to believe, but “inconsistent” isn’t his flaw.
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Old 01-05-2024, 01:03 PM   #15577
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Markstrom is actually quite consistent. The only real anomaly in his last eight years is last season - his ceiling isn’t quite as high as we’d like to believe, but “inconsistent” isn’t his flaw.
He’s not inconsistent. He’s average.

During those 8 years he has 9,862 saves on 10,833 shots. A .910 SV%. League average is .908. Including backups and EBUGs. Is that even good, let alone special, let alone worth Nemec?
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His dad played in Canada, he was even born in Canada and played for Canada at a world championship.
And then the son chose to play for the US WJHC team, that would raise major character issues for me. I would not want any part of him.
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I think Markstrom is more highly regarded in NHL circles, like GM's, etc. than we as Flames fans might think.
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And then the son chose to play for the US WJHC team, that would raise major character issues for me. I would not want any part of him.
Why specifically would a player with dual citizenship choosing to play for a country raise character concerns for you?
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